Listening to chairman's interview and us already overspending on what they think the cap would be so we need to save 75k
so next year Hughes Taylor houghton that type of player wouldn't be in squad we would have maybe 22/23 players and then use loan system
have I got that right ?
how do Newcastle go as there actual finances are shot so do York use there own salary cap to prop up Newcastle
Typical RFL again, they are saying its coming in next year but haven't announced how much it is yet. So once again how can clubs plan recruitment for 2027. As some players are on 2/3 year deals. It should be phased in and be from 2028, to not have a figure for 2027 at this stage is ridiculous.
Last minute RFL in the last 12 months........ no confirmed Championship league format, no fixture list, no plan for the 1895 Cup, no final venue announced for the 1895 Cup final, still no idea of if/how anyone will be promoted to SL next season. It really really is a disgrace.
But yes a salary cap for the Championship makes sense is phased in over a couple of years and announced way in advance. The worry for me is London will replace Huddersfield and then the draw bridge will be pulled up. Leaving us in 15th place but stuck in the Championship.
On an interesting side note I read it as we are spending £575,000 on the squad (£75k over a proposed £500k cap), so for 26 players thats works out at £22k each. Obviously some of the League 1 signings and young lads will be on less and the likes of Abdul, Gilmore and Owens a lot more.
You would think done properly if players have already signed multiple year deals then there would be some sort of dispensation for the 1st year or so.
It seems the RFL are going to have to implement a salary cap to deal with the amount of clubs who overspend and face financial ruin, this will inevitably broaden the gap between championship and super league. This looks like the nail in the coffin for us as we can’t compete with London this year.
yes we can’t compete with London, who would be way over the proposed salary cap, but do not fear - if they go up and shudders come down, it will only be a matter of time before London go bust - they have not and will not get the crowds - the best they had was at Fulham under player coach Reggie Bowden, and that was 12000 to start and dropped off
i thought this img grading nonsense used a financial tool related to crowds and sponsorship
on another slightly different thread - the rfl could not sort out a fixture format as 21 teams were too many
the promised land of the NRL will be going up to 19 teams in one league soon, playing home and away
will they move to 2 leagues - I doubt it , so our league could have played home and away with a couple of midweek fixtures in the glorious British summer
@7-vikingnomad that’s true, I can’t see an RFL lead by wood to be the answer for the British game. It may be the NRL proposed take over that saves the game in Europe as I’m sure they’ll commercialize it and market the game much better. It may come at the cost of some clubs immediate future but the games dying a slow death and how far off becoming a Semi professional game is super league? We don’t have the answers so only time will tell, I just hope Widnes can get back to being a competitive team in the super league.
Quote taken from outgoing board member
“Unfortunately, the current restrictions placed on the club, along with the sustainable budgeting policies, make it extremely challenging to invest in ways that would help improve performances and create better opportunities for the playing group. After much thought, I feel it is the right time for me to step aside.”
What is really going on at the club? How is it only Widnes Vikings look to be suffering from these new rules set to be brought in. London,Doncaster,Oldham surely these clubs spend well above what we do and don’t seem to be bothered about the new rules yet we’re suffering the most with players leaving and now board members also. What is really going on…
Because WV will not make 'Brown envelope' payments, which is what other Clubs do. Squeaky clean, with nothing produced from the U18s Community/Academy programme, yet = mediocrity. Sacking Allan Coleman will not cure our financial restraints, having 10k crowds at every home game will not cure our financial restraints if you can only spend the Cap. Apart from the Cap, we are hampered by the geographical location of Naughton Park. Players won't travel over 4 times week from Yorkshire. We're gonna have to 'suck it up,' or find something else to do on a Sunday.
Up the Chemics.
Paulie xx
Because WV will not make 'Brown envelope' payments, which is what other Clubs do. Squeaky clean, with nothing produced from the U18s Community/Academy programme, yet = mediocrity. Sacking Allan Coleman will not cure our financial restraints, having 10k crowds at every home game will not cure our financial restraints if you can only spend the Cap. Apart from the Cap, we are hampered by the geographical location of Naughton Park. Players won't travel over 4 times week from Yorkshire. We're gonna have to 'suck it up,' or find something else to do on a Sunday.
Up the Chemics.
Paulie xx
Players won't travel over 4 times week from Yorkshire.
This something I can never quite understand as a problem.
We have four SL clubs on our doorstep who run schemes that supposedly produce quailty players and no Championship clubs around as competition....why can Widnes not get the players who don`t quite make SL onto the books?
@pauliewalnuts having 10k gates would affect the cap as the cap can be changed if a club can show they can pay more and guarantee it so a money man eg Oldham could still spend more if they wanted too but now there's no need as drawbridge to super league is closing
After Leeds the 2 biggest suppliers of young players are Wigan and Saints (Saints sign all the best local Widnes players) Warrington have really stepped up over the last couple of years as well so getting quality young players that dont quite make the grade or want a job as well as playing rugby shouldn't be an issue.
The drawbridge is going up, time to gamble, get in debt and put it on the line before its too late. Whats the worst that can happen, the stadium is council owned so safe. If it doesn't work out start again as Widnes 2027 like Salford and Fax. With no League 1 you cant even get relegated anymore. We dont have a proper academy so won't lose the best young players like O'Connor and Walters last time.
Although no guarantee of promotion, Leigh, Wakefield and Toulouse all won the GF and all went up. London who got relegated before a ball was kicked are now flavour of the month and will be going up. Having weighed up the pros and cons I'm being serious, at this stage what have we got to lose?
If the sport was run properly then build slowly under the current model, but it isn't, the chairman has said with the new criteria we are further away than ever. For those that would be happy watching us in the Championship its already in decline this season and I honestly believe it will become a reserves and feeder league. Time to gamble! Thoughts?
@dan1 crazy suggestion after our history of going bust.
Dont know what other teams who currently spend over what their cap will be from next year.
Big money Bill has even been slowly pulling the plug on Oldham and constantly complains about his own fans so can’t see him lasting longer than another 12-18 months.
Who funds Doncaster? Can they make the guarantees to the RFL that are required from next season to over spend on the cap that’s set? I’m sure there is some personal guarantees needed within the framework mentioned
Because WV will not make 'Brown envelope' payments, which is what other Clubs do. Squeaky clean, with nothing produced from the U18s Community/Academy programme, yet = mediocrity. Sacking Allan Coleman will not cure our financial restraints, having 10k crowds at every home game will not cure our financial restraints if you can only spend the Cap. Apart from the Cap, we are hampered by the geographical location of Naughton Park. Players won't travel over 4 times week from Yorkshire. We're gonna have to 'suck it up,' or find something else to do on a Sunday.
Up the Chemics.
Paulie xx
Players won't travel over 4 times week from Yorkshire.
This something I can never quite understand as a problem.
We have four SL clubs on our doorstep who run schemes that supposedly produce quailty players and no Championship clubs around as competition....why can Widnes not get the players who don`t quite make SL onto the books?
The SL clubs near us sign up kids from all over, once they get released they go to other clubs nearer home, or sign for lower end SL clubs.
@scouseviking55 In terms of risk/reward I think the reward is bigger than the risk. The only problem is I think we are probably a bit late as London will go up this season and then the new cap will come in next season.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but the season to do it was actually last year when 3 teams went up, if we had been in the mix. Toulouse, York and Bradford are all doing better than expected in SL so far.