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(@primrose-viking)
Estimable Member

We have not really heard a word from Phil finney have we.

Is he actually the man in charge as I'm not entirely sure.

Some people speak highly of Mr finney and some do not. It's about a 50/50 split.

What I would say is that it must be very difficult to run a professional sports club at this time.

I'd personally rather see Jason operating as CEO, although I don't know what his day job is. (At least for an interim period)

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Posted : 29/08/2021 6:01 pm
 RB
(@rb)
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We beat Whitehaven at home 44-6 on May 23rd (just over 3 months ago). To lose 64-6 today (a swing of 96 points) is appalling. If Whitehaven can improve their prospects in this difficult season why can't Widnes a traditionally bigger and far more successful club.

How can Widnes go into a game unable to field a full compliment of 17 players its disgraceful. You wouldn't expect that at a properly functioning amateur club.

Excluding loan hookers we went into the May game with 8 proper forwards we went into this game with 5 proper forwards.

Their will be excuses but in reality their shouldn't be. Its just cr@p. Utter cr@p.

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Posted : 29/08/2021 6:17 pm
 Owl
(@owl)
Trusted Member

I must stop picking Widnes to win in the prediction league. I predicted a loss against Halifax. Not sure now about the Oldham game next week. Maybe go for a draw!!! See a few of the sack Finnegan crew are back this week. Funnily enough, they weren’t around last week. Must have been on holiday. Can’t really comment on today’s game. Just another to add to the embarrassing results this season. We have no right to beat a team like Whitehaven who have won 9 games this season and are 7th in the league, but surely not a 60 point hammering. Just need to get this season over with and hope the club can turn things around, with some better signings and a more balanced squad for 2022.

Always bet against Widnes they fail and produce loses from games they are favs on numerous occasions and hardly ever win when expected to lose.......made a fortune over recent years

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Posted : 29/08/2021 6:26 pm
 Owl
(@owl)
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We have not really heard a word from Phil finney have we. Is he actually the man in charge as I’m not entirely sure. Some people speak highly of Mr finney and some do not. It’s about a 50/50 split. What I would say is that it must be very difficult to run a professional sports club at this time. I’d personally rather see Jason operating as CEO, although I don’t know what his day job is. (At least for an interim period)

Lack of leadership is a major failing both on and off the field. Most successful organisations have a mission statement setting out a vision of where they aim to go............would be a start for a club in a mess like Widnes are and take it from there....................

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Posted : 29/08/2021 6:30 pm
(@bedford-viking)
Trusted Member

Can we be fined for not fielding a full squad? Have we brought the game as well as ourselves into disrepute? When a professional team cannot field a full squad it will hardly do anything to attract sponsors to our club or sponsors to the competition. We are a professional club, not a pub team. People have complained in the past about how we shouldn't have let Toronto and other 'expansion' clubs into the league as they are taking the place of established clubs with long histories, etc. Can't remember Toronto not fielding 17 players. If this had happened the League Express and Rugby Leaguer letter pages would have been screaming for them to be kicked out for embarrassing the competition. And yet here we are, ex- world champions ...............

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Posted : 29/08/2021 6:35 pm
(@primrose-viking)
Estimable Member

We have not really heard a word from Phil finney have we. Is he actually the man in charge as I’m not entirely sure. Some people speak highly of Mr finney and some do not. It’s about a 50/50 split. What I would say is that it must be very difficult to run a professional sports club at this time. I’d personally rather see Jason operating as CEO, although I don’t know what his day job is. (At least for an interim period)

Lack of leadership is a major failing both on and off the field. Most successful organisations have a mission statement setting out a vision of where they aim to go…………would be a start for a club in a mess like Widnes are and take it from there………………..

 

You need your eyes wide open for a mission statement

I was once part of a team that created mission statements

You can literally pull them out of thin air and claim its part of your culture

 

Of course the really successful business lives and breathes every single decision it makes

Even mistakes can be positive if managed correctly

A hammering at whitehaven needs a mission statement

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Posted : 29/08/2021 6:35 pm
(@spelly)
Noble Member

I was really surprised at your result, especially after you stuffed 'Fax last week, and I've mentioned summat on my report.

Struggling for numbers? Join the club guys! It's only the past coupe of weeks where we've been anywhere near full strength, and even then, we've lost 'em both!

Injuries are part and parcel of a game as brutal as ours.

It's a lonnnnnnnnnnng way home from up there when you've lost, and a journey I've made on many an occasion.

Someone has mentioned you were once World Champs. Yes  you were, and I was at OT that evening, but it's the now that matters, not the then, and we're both suffering from the "now isn't very good syndrome" at present, You treading water, and us already relegated, but as the old saying goes......

There's always next season!

Spelly.

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Posted : 29/08/2021 6:53 pm
 MT
(@mt)
Prominent Member

There is always next season, can only hope that 2022 is significantly better than 2021.

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Posted : 29/08/2021 6:57 pm
(@viking25)
Honorable Member

Finnigan and Finney out

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Posted : 29/08/2021 7:10 pm
(@tonyvikinggee)
Estimable Member

Im struggling to believe the support Finnigan is getting. A coach has the job of coaching the team, he has a say in recruitment but those decisions should be made above his head. He outlines what he wants, number of players for positions etc and then the club recruits them, allowing him input.

His bread and butter is coaching the team, improving players and giving them a structure and style of play. In all of those things he has failed miserably this season, barring a couple good victories ( Fax and Bradford ) then we have very little to show. We have been smashed on far too many occasions.

Today was appalling, Whitehaven's ground is not exactly great for atmosphere but our support seemed flat before kick off, like the fight has gone out of us. Then from minute 1 Whitehaven dominated us, running in 3 pretty easy and simple tries in the first thirteen minutes, game over after a 3 hour car drive ( from Bolton ). We Never looked in the game, your struggling to pick out 3 or 4 lads who can hold their head up high. Farnworth, Baker and maybe Owens ( but nowhere near his best ) put it in and looked good, but after that it was a horror show.

Tileke was garbage, maybe asked to do too many minutes but was a liability in defence and offered nothing going forward.

Lawton, How is someone that big so good at hiding on a rugby pitch?

Lyons, said it before and i will keep saying it, this kid should not be getting paid to play rugby. Its not his fault, someone offered him a contract and so he is going to sign it. But he is not now, has never been and will never be good enough to play championship rugby. Local Lad or not.

TBF you could tear into most of the players today.

From top to bottom the club is a mess, 900 and odd there today, so about 300 less than we get at home now. But they are a club on the up, and we are heading in the opposite direction right now. 2 years ago there would have been a two and a half thousand difference between our gates and theirs. Hard to gauge our support, maybe 150 tops.

We blame £22 a ticket is putting people off at Widnes, its £18 to stand on a kerb in Whitehaven but they are managing.

Right now i feel like every penny i give to this club is wasted, i could give it to charity instead where instead of paying towards ex SL props retirement funds i could make a real difference to someone's life. Watching this Garbage is not cheap.

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Posted : 29/08/2021 7:21 pm
(@primrose-viking)
Estimable Member

I was really surprised at your result, especially after you stuffed ‘Fax last week, and I’ve mentioned summat on my report. Struggling for numbers? Join the club guys! It’s only the past coupe of weeks where we’ve been anywhere near full strength, and even then, we’ve lost ’em both! Injuries are part and parcel of a game as brutal as ours. It’s a lonnnnnnnnnnng way home from up there when you’ve lost, and a journey I’ve made on many an occasion. Someone has mentioned you were once World Champs. Yes you were, and I was at OT that evening, but it’s the now that matters, not the then, and we’re both suffering from the “now isn’t very good syndrome” at present, You treading water, and us already relegated, but as the old saying goes…… There’s always next season! Spelly.

 

What about Swinton and Salford sharing Moor Lane

Is that of any merit

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Posted : 29/08/2021 7:21 pm
 Owl
(@owl)
Trusted Member

First line of match report on official website

Widnes were forced to name a reduced squad of 16 for the game due to several late injuries in Simon Finnigan’s team.

This is clearly rubbish.......what did they do ? trip up getting onto the coach ?

Covid + maybe whatever...................tell the truth !!!!!

That`s the trouble with this club full of secrets......more secretive than MI5......

It`s a local rugby club not an underground organisation ffs

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Posted : 29/08/2021 7:36 pm
 CJ91
(@cj91)
Noble Member

We had a 26 man squad at the start of the season.

We also had a long term injury to Logan and the Jewitt scenario.

We have never had a big enough squad to deal with a glut of injuries which we appear to have today.

Seems doubly disorganised considering there was always the possibility of Covid issues!

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Topic starter Posted : 29/08/2021 7:46 pm
 Dan1
(@dan1)
Reputable Member

What I will say from my perspective is the club seems to be its own worst enemy. They don't get people involved so you don't feel you belong to the club. The old regime was very aloof and secretive aside from James Rules somewhat condescending club statements. We now all know why, they were skint and running the club into the ground without admitting it until it was too late.

When a group of fans took over I thought it would go back to being a community club, but we have virtually zero communication and fan involvement.  I know covid has made things difficult but many many fans who had season tickets have simply lost interest and drifted away. My What's App group rugby chat never has any comments anymore, when I've posted a result the reply has been I forgot Widnes was playing. That's from season ticket holders and away game followers.

Yes these are negative comments, but its better than saying nothing at all. I just feel like someone needs to take some form of leadership and bring this club out of this mess. It's not so much about money at Championship level, other than Leigh and Tolouse. Whitehaven and many others have no money either.

 

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Posted : 29/08/2021 8:13 pm
(@glynn)
Honorable Member

the quicker the season is put to bed and lost to history the better

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Posted : 29/08/2021 8:17 pm
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