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(@primrose-viking)
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I don't normally make negative comments about results

Or playing with just 3 subs,

Playing with 3 subs is simply poor and if anything an injured player should have been named on the bench and participated in the match day experience

Being thrashed by whitehaven is also poor and most certainly defines a lack of effort and indeed passion about wearing that shirt.

So, yes I agree it's poor

More the question is what to do about it

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Posted : 29/08/2021 3:49 pm
Former Chemic
(@former-chemic)
Honorable Member

That performance is very unlikely to improve the attendance figures for next weeks match

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Posted : 29/08/2021 3:55 pm
 Dan1
(@dan1)
Honorable Member

Probably due to the time getting home with it being such a long drive. Next year need to book a days holiday when the fixtures are released.

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Posted : 29/08/2021 3:55 pm
(@primrose-viking)
Estimable Member

That performance is very unlikely to improve the attendance figures for next weeks match

 

And right there is the problem

If the club in firing on all cylinders we would have got 2500 to 3000 attending

Instead it will be about 1000.

Im still attending as its something I will always do no matter what

But the scale of that defeat today is something that needs to be examined by the controlling directors as it has a direct impact on revenue

No disrespect to Simon finnegan but there are some notable coaches out there, namely

1 Danny ward

2 Paul Rowley

3 Brian mcdermott

 

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Posted : 29/08/2021 4:13 pm
(@frankg)
Noble Member

I must stop picking Widnes to win in the prediction league. I predicted a loss against Halifax. Not sure now about the Oldham game next week. Maybe go for a  draw!!!

See a few of the sack Finnegan crew are back this week. Funnily enough, they weren't around last week. Must have been on holiday.

Can't really comment on today's game. Just another to add to the embarrassing results this season. We have no right to beat a team like Whitehaven who have won 9 games this season and are 7th in the league, but surely not a 60 point hammering.

Just need to get this season over with and hope the club can turn things around, with some better signings and a more balanced squad for 2022.

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Posted : 29/08/2021 4:26 pm
(@ditton-donkey)
Noble Member

Not finnegans fault - he was not playing

not his team either, only players he signed were not playing

big embarrassment though, probably the most we have been beaten by haven

but good luck to them - maybe they could win the playoffs !

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Posted : 29/08/2021 4:28 pm
 CJ91
(@cj91)
Noble Member

Finnigan is judged over a season. We won last week. We did well. We were humiliated this week. We have won 6 out of 18 games. That is shocking.

At the end of the day, I do not think he has shown enough to demonstrate he has the nous to get us into the top 6 next year, his team or not.

It is not a personal attack or being anti the club to make that sort of judgement at this point in the season, just personal opinion.

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Topic starter Posted : 29/08/2021 4:32 pm
(@primrose-viking)
Estimable Member

I must stop picking Widnes to win in the prediction league. I predicted a loss against Halifax. Not sure now about the Oldham game next week. Maybe go for a draw!!! See a few of the sack Finnegan crew are back this week. Funnily enough, they weren’t around last week. Must have been on holiday. Can’t really comment on today’s game. Just another to add to the embarrassing results this season. We have no right to beat a team like Whitehaven who have won 9 games this season and are 7th in the league, but surely not a 60 point hammering. Just need to get this season over with and hope the club can turn things around, with some better signings and a more balanced squad for 2022.

 

For me personally I've held off from the critique

 

In fact I've not uttered a single word of critisism.

What I am saying is that heavy defeats like this have an impact on attendances and revenue.

So much so that its possible that this defeat today could cost the club £10,000 next week and so on,

The management team have to consider the long term and short term impact of poor results.

 

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Posted : 29/08/2021 4:46 pm
(@sinbad)
Noble Member

Not finnegans fault – he was not playing not his team either, only players he signed were not playing big embarrassment though.

They are his players no matter who signed them.They are Widnes players and he is coach so that makes them his players and  his team.

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Posted : 29/08/2021 4:47 pm
(@frankg)
Noble Member

I can see where the criticism of Finnegan is coming from and it is well deserved. There have been some appalling results and abject performances this year. It is just that making a change now - and who is available and willing to come to a mid-table Championship club at this stage - would not change anything this season. My view is that Finnegan was given a two-year deal and should be given a chance to turn things around in 2022 with a better squad at his disposal. Probably we could not afford to end his contract anyway.

How long he lasts into the 2022 season if results and performances do not improve, is open to question. There will certainly be a growing demand for him to go.

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Posted : 29/08/2021 4:53 pm
(@ditton-donkey)
Noble Member

I can see where the criticism of Finnegan is coming from and it is well deserved. There have been some appalling results and abject performances this year. It is just that making a change now – and who is available and willing to come to a mid-table Championship club at this stage – would not change anything this season. My view is that Finnegan was given a two-year deal and should be given a chance to turn things around in 2022 with a better squad at his disposal. Probably we could not afford to end his contract anyway. How long he lasts into the 2022 season if results and performances do not improve, is open to question. There will certainly be a growing demand for him to go.[/quote

absolutely - Finnigan inherited this team from a super coach, who had hand picked the players

its down to them to perform, Finnigan could probably still play better than half of them

next season will tell

onwards and upwards

 

 

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Posted : 29/08/2021 5:24 pm
 CJ91
(@cj91)
Noble Member

We need to assess the available options of who is willing to come to coach Widnes.

Then, it is a case of whether there are viable candidates who are more experienced than Finnigan, with a better track record.

In November/December, presumably there was not a better candidate, taking the Board/CEO on face value.

10 months later, things may be different.

I suppose there is the trade off of how much it would cost to pay off the remaining year of his contract versus crowds that implode below the 1800 mark on a regular basis.

One thing is for certain, the casual fan picking up that result on their phone won't be rushing to the turnstiles next week!

 

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Topic starter Posted : 29/08/2021 5:28 pm
(@aceaceace)
Active Member

We need to assess the available options of who is willing to come to coach Widnes. Then, it is a case of whether there are viable candidates who are more experienced than Finnigan, with a better track record. In November/December, presumably there was not a better candidate, taking the Board/CEO on face value. 10 months later, things may be different. I suppose there is the trade off of how much it would cost to pay off the remaining year of his contract versus crowds that implode below the 1800 mark on a regular basis. One thing is for certain, the casual fan picking up that result on their phone won’t be rushing to the turnstiles next week!

 

They where shocked last time round at the dire quality of applicants. PF admitted that to a degree in James's podcast at the start of the season.

I hardly think there will be a queue of people desperate to work under PF when it's widely known how he went behind Sheen's back. I keep harping back to that point but it is the moment that threw the season out before it even began. Poor recruitment and a woefully lopsided squad to start the year with. Blame Sheen's or PF but I can't help the feeling that Simon has just gone from one firefighting week to the next.
<p style="text-align: center;">Large parts of the squad need binning not retaining. We can't afford to go through another pre-season of change though so Simon has to stay for me.</p>

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Posted : 29/08/2021 5:52 pm
 CJ91
(@cj91)
Noble Member

Fair point about what Finney said to James on the podcast.

For me though, I don't think anyone genuinely expected this year to be THIS bad.

Ordinarily I would agree that going for yet another new coach (would be the 5th since Betts) is risky but it is equally a risk to keep SF IMO given what we have seen this year, that is why I am saying see what is out there and then make a judgement.

If there is someone with more experience and a track record then I feel we need to make that change.

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Topic starter Posted : 29/08/2021 5:58 pm
 Dan1
(@dan1)
Honorable Member

What did he do behind Sheens back? Why did Sheens leave?

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Posted : 29/08/2021 5:59 pm
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