What a basket case this Labour Party is. Tearing itself apart. with the usual left wing suspects leading the way and others caring more about their future as an MP rather than the country.
It does look as though Starmer will have to step down, but guess he is standing firm at the moment, to try and avoid a complete financial meltdown.
They can't even organise a coup, with the 80 or so dissidents bickering about who they want as Leader to replace as Starmer. Streeting will never throw off his links to Mandelson; Burnham isn't even an MP and is not guaranteed a safe seat even if he is the self-styled King of Manchester. Just a political chancer; Rayner, still not sorted out her tax affairs and will be forever tainted with that and her image as a party girl; Miliband was a disaster when he previously led the Party and cannot see him doing any better.
Maybe the former Corbyn supporters will put up a candidate. John McDonald and or even Richard Burgon, who when once asked whether, if he was PM, would he be prepared to press the nuclear button if Britain was under nuclear attack, answered that he would first of all consult with Party members!!! Maybe they will want to bring Corbyn back and Your Party will become Their Party!!! Incidentally, any radical change to the Manifesto would surely need a fresh election, which I am sure nobody in the Labour Party wants at the moment
My view, but probably beyond that, is that Starmer should be left in charge to deliver on the manifesto for change, but not necessarily lead the Party into the next election, if there is then a credible challenge to his leadership.
In relation to Farage, really a man of the people, with mates who can gift him £5m, when Starmer was pilloried in the right wing media for accepting a pair of glasses and a suit? A privately educated multi-millionaire and former commodities broker, leading a Party with seemingly a single policy to create division around immigration.
Streeting now said "Shove it boss!" So............
Is it only a matter of time before he adds "I want your job!" to his statement?
Spelly.
And so Josh Simmons is stepping down as MP for Makerfield to allow Andy Burnham to stand eh?
I saw a report that Farage has said they'll "------ throw everything" at the by-election, which is hardly surprising!
After the caning we took a week ago, is there currently such a thing as a safe Labour seat? I've just checked the result from the General Election less than two years ago, and Simmons' majority was 5,399. Is that enough? I would suggest possibly not. So............
If Burnham is the candidate, and doesn't get elected, where would he go from there? Would his political career be over for ever?
Interesting times await us!
Spelly.
Oooops it's Simons, and not Simmons. My apologies to him!
Spelly.
This would be the same Zionist Josh Simons that ran Labour Together before he became an "MP" the group that failed to declare hundreds of thousands in donations from "unknown" sources that was mostly used to run the smear campaign against Corbyn and promote committed Zionist , Globalist and tri-lateral member Starmer as leader.
The campaign that all the Zionists patted themselves on the back over as they posted mocking videos on X and the like applauding themselves on their success before hastily trying to delete them all as people began questioning what had gone on.
Its the same Josh Simons who had to recently resign from the cabinet office after it was found he then paid APCO Worldwide £30,000 to dig up dirt on the journalists who had exposed Labour Together and tried to link them with Russian collusion, a tactic you see throughout the Commons amongst the controlled MP's and party leaders when they are forced to discuss Epstein, Mandelson etc, protect Israel at all costs is the mantra.
The same man who defended the Governments position on the imposing of digital identity, something else they have slipped in that wasnt in their manifesto, in a debate that was forced because 3 million people signed a petition against it and they wouldnt even hold it in the main chamber, the end result "we are doing it anyway...hard luck"
He doesnt deserve an apology, he should be in Gaol...
On another but similar note ive seen a few interviews now with Maurice Glasman, a proper "old style" Labour man who's views i am mostly in agreement with, his theory on why this country is almost ungovernable quite simple, it is no longer red v blue, socialist v capitalist, for the last 15 or so years it has been globalism against sovereignty with all parties internally divided on the subject
The problem for the globalists is that country and electorate is less divided and if Burnham continues with his EU nonsense then both he and the Labour party are gone
I hadn't seen that about Simons, but after reading up about it, you appear to be correct.
As far as Burnham is concerned a report says he is "----- expected to drop calls to reverse Brexit -----"
Makerfield, and its surrounding areas, voted heavily for "Leave" in the referendum, and it became a "turquoise wall" in the recent locals, so.................
Is Streeting being mischievous by advocating a return to being part of the EU? Is he "trying to get one over" his potential leadership rival?
I went for "Remain" a decade ago, and would do so again, but come what may, I doubt that there'll be another referendum on it whilst I'm still on this planet.
According to an expert on 5Live the other day, Burnham can remain in his mayoral role whilst the run-up to the by-election continues, but will have to vacate it, if the Makerfield electorate vote him in, but...............
If they think otherwise, could he still carry on in Manchester, with his political career (permanently?) damaged?
Is this the biggest by-election in history?
Quite a few questions I'm throwing out here!
Naturally, wearing my loyalty hat, I hope Burnham adds "MP" to his name, come 18 June, but I'm far from holding my breath on that particular scenario!
So, what are your predictions of this message-board as to which party will win in Makerfield please?
Spelly.
If Brexit hadn't come up, I'd have put my house on Andy winning.
Sadly, now I'm not so certain sure he will be become their MP.
I think it's crazy that all of a sudden people think AB will be the magic silver bullet to all of Labour's problems, just because he isn't as bad as the current lot. His main selling point is not being Starmer.
He's lost out on a leadership bid twice already, cancelled 2 major investigation (Operation Augusta and 1 other) & might not even win this seat. If he does lose it will be very interesting to see if he stays on as M'cr mayor or not.
At least he is staying fairly local & not jumping into an absolutely safe seat (If they have many of those left now) so fair play on that.
It may or may not be the biggest by-election ever, but it will definitely be the most reported/scrutinised one of all time by the press.
Whoever gets in/stays in/comes in I hope they end all of this 2 tier nonsense and don't treat people differently depending on their viewpoint (See this weekend's rallies & political statements).
*I think it's crazy that all of a sudden people think AB will be the magic silver bullet to all of Labour's problems, just because he isn't as bad as the current lot. His main selling point is not being Starmer.*
He's lost out on a leadership bid twice already, cancelled 2 major investigation (Operation Augusta and 1 other) & might not even win this seat. If he does lose it will be very interesting to see if he stays on as M'cr mayor or not.
At least he is staying fairly local & not jumping into an absolutely safe seat (If they have many of those left now) so fair play on that.
It may or may not be the biggest by-election ever, but it will definitely be the most reported/scrutinised one of all time by the press.
Whoever gets in/stays in/comes in I hope they end all of this 2 tier nonsense and don't treat people differently depending on their viewpoint (See this weekend's rallies & political statements).
*From what I've read mate, there's a lot of people, who are of a similar persuasion to you!*
As a member, I will have a vote if (or more likely when) there's a leadership election, and currently I'm faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from sure where my X will go if / when that scenario transpires.
Spelly.
Just checked the odds on the by-election, and Labour are currently varying between 4/6, and 4/7 depending on which bookie you use, with Reform around the 13/8 mark.
I've booked my Wembley trip on a Pies' coach, so I would imagine there'll be some from the constituency on it, which might make for some interesting conversation! 🤣
Spelly.
*From what I've read mate, there's a lot of people, who are of a similar persuasion to you!*
As a member, I will have a vote if (or more likely when) there's a leadership election, and currently I'm faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from sure where my X will go if / when that scenario transpires.
Spelly.
Interestingly enough as i mentioned the Glassman interviews, he is very much behind Shabana Mahmood, its his opinion that she is being reigned in by Starmer and co and not being allowed to push through the reforms and legislation she wants to, especially around migration.
With respect to comments by Frank and TS, why is Burnham seen as the saviour, well who else do they have ?
This is what happens when parties are infiltrated and MP's are put into "safe" seats based on their gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation and their willingness to acquiesce, be subservient and take the blame when the crunchie hits the fan rather than their intellect or ability.
The end result being a Parliament full of buffoons who spend most of their time arguing which party is the most diverse or has the most women or was the the first to put X diverse person in such and such a position whilst the country falls apart around their tone deaf ears
@anotherposter They don't have anyone else, I get that.
I just don't understand why that makes lots of people think he will automatically be amazing, considering his track record in previous governments. Head in sand comes to mind.
@anotherposter They don't have anyone else, I get that.
I just don't understand why that makes lots of people think he will automatically be amazing, considering his track record in previous governments. Head in sand comes to mind.
I think they refer to it in American Football as a "Hail Mary", he's quite an unremarkable man with a history of flip flopping depending which way the wind blows but just as Labour got a "landslide" for simply not being the Tories i think they are hoping he will get votes back for simply not being part of this current Government or Parliament for that matter, as the current crop of Labour MP's have voted overwhelmingly for some of the most disgraceful, censorious and draconian legislation ever put before the UK Parliament.
Former Golden boy Streeting blew his chances when his private texts to Mandelson revealed what he actually thought of Israel as opposed the public persona he presented.
And if your not a Zionist you dont get a gig these days...
Rupert Lowe's Restore Britain party have now declared that they're standing in Makerfield, so.....
Is this good news for Burnham? Will it take votes away from Reform?
Farage and friends, have now eased to 15/8, with Lowe's Lot at 8/1, and Keir's Crew still faves at 8/13.
Just under a month before voting day, and a lot could change before then.
Anybody gonna be brave enough to make a prediction as who'll top the poll come 18 June?
Spelly.
Rupert Lowe's Restore Britain party have now declared that they're standing in Makerfield, so.....
Is this good news for Burnham? Will it take votes away from Reform?
Farage and friends, have now eased to 15/8, with Lowe's Lot at 8/1, and Keir's Crew still faves at 8/13.
Just under a month before voting day, and a lot could change before then.
Anybody gonna be brave enough to make a prediction as who'll top the poll come 18 June?
Spelly.
Dont think anybody really has a clue but one interesting stat that came out of the local elections is that labour lost 4 times as many votes to the greens as they did to reform and if you look at the local results around that area reform polled 70 - 100% more votes in every ward than Labour
Lowe may eat into the Reform vote a little but the Greens will definitely eat into the Labour vote as well and we have already seen in Gorton that they are currently preferred to Labour for the staunch left wingers who feel betrayed by this Government