@owl Agree 100% a few fans have home town player syndrome, they never earned there silly long term contracts in the past. Their contracts caused stagnancy at the club. Change has been needed for years but never happened. We play players out of position all the time instead of recruiting players for those positions.
Depends on the calibre of the replacements- no point in letting both go to be replaced by inferior players.
That being said, we haven't really won anything or got close to....
Unless this is part of a strategy of trying to reduce the number of over 30's in the squad?
Well after hearing on social media tjat Gilmore and Owens replaced by Swinton and Rochdale players it concerned me. If repkaced by worse players it makes no sense. We are hardly flushed with money and without fans through the gates it will mean less calibre players.
Those 2 players are very good at championship level, be very lucky to replace with better on same money
they deserve another season
Has anyone definate proof that Owens/Gilmore are being replaced, or is this thread nothing more than gossip started and supported by troublemakers?
Those 2 players are very good at championship level, be very lucky to replace with better on same money
they deserve another season
I don`t agree,they they are not very good they are very average.
Owens can`t play full back......drops the ball under pressure at vital times,can`t play wing too slow even at his peak-ask any Saint fan,can`t play centre closes space rather than creating it....half back simply no threat to the opposition.
Gilmore.....never makes a break,passes often land other players in trouble,kicks too predictable rarely cause real problems...all round very predictable game which all teams in this league know how to counter.
This plays for Swinton,Rochdale etc so not good enough for Widnes.........
let me think
what about......Chris Atkin .........was in the Widnes Vikings' Academy System and he has previously played for the England Students in the 2013 Student Rugby League World Cup.Atkin was then eventually released by the Widnes Academy System due to them already having two established young halves in Tom Gilmore and Danny Craven.
Went to?-Swinton.........and then?about 200 SL apps.... Who would you rather have had in your team for the past 10 years Atkin or Gilmore?
you have a wonderful memory as birds like you do
but we are looking at the future not the past
You might have noticed we are restricted finance wise so choices are limited
in my humble opinion I feel owens and Gilmore have played well enough this season to earn another year
but what do I know twit too woo
you have a wonderful memory as birds like you do
but we are looking at the future not the past
You might have noticed we are restricted finance wise so choices are limited
in my humble opinion I feel owens and Gilmore have played well enough this season to earn another year
but what do I know twit too woo
I understand why people might want to keep these core 4 as I include Ince and Lawton as well but looking to the future and not the past........... thats why I want them gone.
I don`t ,and tbh won`t watch another season like the past few.
Rather see younger and yes probably cheaper unproven players than more of the same.
I would describe it as safe to keep them....won`t be in the top 3 but will be around 4 to 6.
What happens then?...keep yet another year? They have had their time ....it`s time to look forward.
There is no money around at any of the other clubs so players will have to accept less or not play............tbh I can`t see any other club taking on these 4 on what they are on now.
SL academies release a raft of players every year and there are 4 within spitting distance.
It comes down to scouting and spotting potential and then coaching to reach that potential.
Keeping these is stagnation....Widnes and AC now need to get younger talent in and do something with it.
We need some excitement, something different on the playing side ,the talent is there .
you have a wonderful memory as birds like you do
but we are looking at the future not the past
You might have noticed we are restricted finance wise so choices are limited
in my humble opinion I feel owens and Gilmore have played well enough this season to earn another year
but what do I know twit too woo
I understand why people might want to keep these core 4 as I include Ince and Lawton as well but looking to the future and not the past........... thats why I want them gone.
I don`t ,and tbh won`t watch another season like the past few.
Rather see younger and yes probably cheaper unproven players than more of the same.
I would describe it as safe to keep them....won`t be in the top 3 but will be around 4 to 6.
What happens then?...keep yet another year? They have had their time ....it`s time to look forward.
There is no money around at any of the other clubs so players will have to accept less or not play............tbh I can`t see any other club taking on these 4 on what they are on now.
SL academies release a raft of players every year and there are 4 within spitting distance.
It comes down to scouting and spotting potential and then coaching to reach that potential.
Keeping these is stagnation....Widnes and AC now need to get younger talent in and do something with it.
We need some excitement, something different on the playing side ,the talent is there .
Unsure what money has been offered to Gilmore and Owens, but if had a team with loads of youngsters, we could get smashed every week.Players like Sergent, Taylor and Connelly are in the mix already, and someone put the other day after a youngster winger from Rochdale. We have the U19s set up and a few here may come into contention next year. Unfortunanetly the RFL fucked the Championship up with no promotion and relegation on the pitch.They need this back or will kill the Championship. If no Widnes i am finished with Rugby League as wont watch Saints or Warrington.