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Pascal
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Posted by: @viking25

@royston-vasey Because I’m worried whoever it was is going to be involved in this years recruitment too. 

Very important who sanctions the signings as we don't want poor recruitment again. Several players not good enough, and I would like to see Bent and sick note Levy gone too. 👍

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Posted : 22/06/2022 1:58 pm
Former Chemic
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Very important who sanctions the signings as we don't want poor recruitment again. Several players not good enough, and I would like to see Bent and sick note Levy gone too.
 
Wot, no baguettes today!!
 
Are the bakers on strike too??
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Posted : 22/06/2022 5:21 pm
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Pascal
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Posted by: @former-chemic
Very important who sanctions the signings as we don't want poor recruitment again. Several players not good enough, and I would like to see Bent and sick note Levy gone too.
 
Wot, no baguettes today!!
 
Are the bakers on strike too??

😂😂 Sorry I have lost my Mojo recently and bakers on strike too. We can't afford another bad recruitment phase, especially with the restructuring of the leagues. Top 5 minimum position next year and to spend well. 🥖🥖🥖👍

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Posted : 22/06/2022 5:25 pm
James
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Posted by: @mick-george
Posted by: @viking25

Who sanctioned us signing Gregory?

Clearly not good enough 

A fair question but not the only player to not be good enough. the club didn't think they where good enough. Both players have been on the bench and never used so your who signed them is a valid question.

They are probably players 25 and 26 in the squad. Gregory is the third choice hooker, and no doubt the club would have been lambasted for not having any back up if Fozard got injured.

Don't think Tilleke will be earning the earth either, played every single game last season, and so the recruitment for this year meant he wasn't required as often.

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Posted : 22/06/2022 6:42 pm
Royston Vasey
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@viking25 The only thing that has changed is the coach and given the coach makes the recommendations of players we should buy, rather than the actual decision to buy then nothing will have changed.

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Posted : 23/06/2022 12:46 am
Mckeeverviking
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Is amor nailed on for next season? He might attract a couple more saints players who are interested in playing part time and I would welcome that

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Posted : 23/06/2022 12:53 am
Mick George
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Posted by: @jdgsport
Posted by: @mick-george
Posted by: @viking25

Who sanctioned us signing Gregory?

Clearly not good enough 

A fair question but not the only player to not be good enough. the club didn't think they where good enough. Both players have been on the bench and never used so your who signed them is a valid question.

They are probably players 25 and 26 in the squad. Gregory is the third choice hooker, and no doubt the club would have been lambasted for not having any back up if Fozard got injured.

Don't think Tilleke will be earning the earth either, played every single game last season, and so the recruitment for this year meant he wasn't required as often.

Gregory was actually second choice hooker for a while due to Hulmes injury but still wasn't selected even though we sometimes couldn't get a squad of 19. Tilleke as you say played a lot last season due to us having no props, he is given a new contract then hardly selected and at times even when we still had no props he never played even when in the starting 17 and of course the famous 4 mins he was brought on for in the 76th min of a game. Squad players need to play when we have nobody else but these two where not played.

This means they where not deemed good enough so who exactly gave them contracts if that is the case ?. The hooking role at the club is a shambles with Fozard unable to play his game as the lad is knackered.

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Posted : 23/06/2022 6:11 am
Mick George
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Posted by: @royston-vasey

@viking25 The only thing that has changed is the coach and given the coach makes the recommendations of players we should buy, rather than the actual decision to buy then nothing will have changed.

That's your opinion RV but mine and many more have a very different one. If JK doesn't get to select the players he want's then he will be off like a shot, lets pray he does.

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Posted : 23/06/2022 6:14 am
Royston Vasey
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Posted by: @mick-george
Posted by: @royston-vasey

@viking25 The only thing that has changed is the coach and given the coach makes the recommendations of players we should buy, rather than the actual decision to buy then nothing will have changed.

That's your opinion RV but mine and many more have a very different one. If JK doesn't get to select the players he want's then he will be off like a shot, lets pray he does.

Who, in your opinion may the decision on who we bought for this season Mick ? Serious question.

I would really, really sincerely hope that the CEO appreciates the experience that Kear has and actually listens to the coach when he makes his recommendations but for the past 3 or 4 years now we have bought half a squad that turns out to be not fit for purpose and lacks the signing of key players (although I will say that the signing of Amor is a more promising start). In that period we’ve had more than one coach and also one who is of higher stature than Kear so, like Insay the only constant has been the current CEO / board.

 

 

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Posted : 23/06/2022 7:41 am
alanC
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@royston-vasey I think possibly the main constant is lack of finances.

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Posted : 23/06/2022 11:49 am
Frankg
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My understanding (guess!) is that the club will become aware of players that are or are likely to be available for the following season, either directly or through agents. In our position, this will be players currently part-time with other Championship or L1 clubs or players prepared to step down from full-time in SL to part-time. There may be some scope this year to pick up a player from one of the smaller nations in the World Cup to add a bit of interest next year.

The coach will have identified the players he wants to retain and key positions to be filled and particular players that he would want to bring in. There will be a transfer budget and a wage structure to be taken into account. The CEO will then approach players/agents to make them aware of the club’s interest and, if the player is interested, the CEO will try to negotiate a deal. I would guess that the Coach would be kept up to date on negotiations ie if a player is not interested or seeking a contract beyond our means; and would then identify any back-up player. If the Coach feels the player is key to his squad, he may get directly involved in the negotiations and/or push for the club to make a better offer.

So in answer to the question, I believe (guess!) that Finnigan would have identified/agreed which players were brought in this year and Finney would have negotiated and agreed the contracts. Otherwise, the club has been grossly unfair in sacking Finnigan for not being able to get a decent performance from players he had no say in signing and some say, are not up to Championship standard!

My hope is that with Kear’s experience and standing in the game, we may well be able to attract a better calibre of player for 2023; as well as Kear being able to identify players in the current squad who he wants to retain, with a view to improving their performance.

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Posted : 23/06/2022 1:43 pm
Viking Man
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Gav Bennion 

Rhys Evans

Kyle Amor

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Posted : 23/06/2022 2:55 pm
Royston Vasey
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@alanc I’d say that is certainly true Alan and it’s not going to change for next season. let’s hope JK’s knowledge and contacts can stretch the limited finances a bit further and that the CEO / Board actually back him, rather than think that they have to solve everything by themselves.

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Posted : 23/06/2022 10:05 pm
sandgroper
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The connection with the Welsh squad must surely point at JK building a pack at least?

Getting a bit confused about the 'choosing of players', and just who? Presumably, considering the lack of major changes on the club side of things, the same personnel must have had a hand in the Academy signings of Walker, Norman, Walters, O'Connor, Ashall-Bott and Brand, to name but a few?

Good job we got rid of them before their faults were exposed!!!!

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Posted : 24/06/2022 9:52 am
Mick George
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Posted by: @sandgroper

The connection with the Welsh squad must surely point at JK building a pack at least?

Getting a bit confused about the 'choosing of players', and just who? Presumably, considering the lack of major changes on the club side of things, the same personnel must have had a hand in the Academy signings of Walker, Norman, Walters, O'Connor, Ashall-Bott and Brand, to name but a few?

Good job we got rid of them before their faults were exposed!!!!

So to summarise you think it is fine for the CEO to selecting players ad re sign them.

You fail to mention all the rubbish signings we have had over the last 3 years

The so called academy players only flourished once they left the club and they are hardly ripping up trees.

The Welsh connection is fine but in prospective they are all lower division players who went to Towyn for a holiday.

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Posted : 25/06/2022 2:22 am
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