The performance today was totally unacceptable.
Dewsbury put out at best a scratch team due to injuries and covid.
They showed what team spirit is all about and even after going down to twelve players still maintained their lead.
Widnes lacked in any ideas going forward and their defence was woeful. Attitude seems to be a big problem as heads seem to drop as soon as things go against them. Team spirit is lacking and tactical awareness seems to be a problem.
Should we be looking for direction from a new coach or do we persevere with what we have.
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According to an RL journalist on twitter, Lawton isn’t going to Leigh. Whether or not that means he is staying here I have no idea.
Not surprised Leigh don`t want him….who would?……look at his contribution today…………all the Dewsbury forwards put in the hard graft in attack and tried in defence…Lawton played wide and did…not a lot except give away pens
Lawton is a Paper Tiger, only likes to run at smaller players, is lazy in defence and is 50/50 with regards to how much of a liability he is. Always see the " local lad " comment, but he does not play like he is running his blood to water for his local team. Another of those players who is here for the easy ride. We are struggling for size and this coward hides on the edges, only coming alive when we are 10 away from the opposition line.
There was probably 100 away fans there. Not many more home fans in fairness. Think some players need to take a long hard look at themselves because they aren’t cutting it. Some of them aren’t kids any more, and are making basic errors each week. The three tries conceded were dismal. In attack, forcing the play far too much. Using Lawton and Tyrer as dummy runners constantly and then passing out behind them and running out of room instead of just giving them the ball. Lawton was one of the better players. Tyrer, Farnworth and Baker must wonder why they bother. Riley Dean isn’t a great half-back by any stretch but he completely outplayed Craven and Lyons, as did Alex Smith who is in his rookie year.
Which is presumably down to Finnigan, given it’s been happening all season.
That’s why I’m not sure about giving him another season. Tactically we seem so poor. Our defence is abysmal and has been all season. In attack, we’re toothless at best. What does a Widnes try look like? I’m not sure.
Finnigan has been hiding away behind the ‘no props’ excuse for far too long.
I suppose the lack of competition for places hasn't helped. Certain players in certain positions are basically undroppable because of a lack of numbers.
Possibly against the grain a bit here but I don't honestly believe Lawton has been that bad this year, although he is much better in attack than defence.
Mentioned the Half-Backs, but also Owens for me is not a natural captain and maybe we would see the return to his best level of form if someone else took over, in addition to a bit more leadership.
I don't like it when we start saying things about players that is totally wrong as some of the vendetta against Lawton is total rubbish. He stays in the place he is told too, he attacks the players he is told too, he takes the balls when he is passed too and makes the line many times and offloads and is responsible for some great tries scored by our wingers and centres, his tackling is aggressive and certainly not paper thin. Read what James said "He was one of the better players" which too be honest isn't hard again today.
Weve got to start looking at the bigger picture in all this s**t that we are in. We’re just not good enough the whole setup needs a good overhaul. In my opinion as I’ve said over and over again on this finnigan isn’t the answer as our coach to me he is just winging it every week the team looks unfit and has no sense of direction. We need a huge rebuild starting with the coach he needs to go sooner rather than later and then we have got to look at are captain don’t get me wrong I like Owens as a player but as a captain he lacks confidence for me we need to bring someone in with a bit more shout and anger to get the players up for it. Next season is going to be difficult if we keep finnigan I fear I just hope the board can see that and try to get a director of rugby to help him and show him how to coach.
I don’t like it when we start saying things about players that is totally wrong as some of the vendetta against Lawton is total rubbish. He stays in the place he is told too, he attacks the players he is told too, he takes the balls when he is passed too and makes the line many times and offloads and is responsible for some great tries scored by our wingers and centres, his tackling is aggressive and certainly not paper thin. Read what James said “He was one of the better players” which too be honest isn’t hard again today.
His tackling is agressive? Not a chance, he always goes for the strip, rarely takes a player to the ground and controls the ruck. I literally cant think of a single BIG hit he has made this season, he tries everything in his power to not go to ground in defence. He rarely if ever takes the hard drives, he makes some good plays with forced offloads etc, but makes far more errors doing the same thing. If Leigh want him they can have him. If they dont want him Aldi can have him.
I see James said Lawton was one of our better players today. Not sure that is much of an accolade, but does seem to suggest he was trying. Just shows different perceptions fans can have about players' performances. I would like for us to keep Lawton, who at least is an attacking threat. Maybe a luxury in our pack now, but could be a real threat in a half decent pack.
I don’t like it when we start saying things about players that is totally wrong as some of the vendetta against Lawton is total rubbish. He stays in the place he is told too, he attacks the players he is told too, he takes the balls when he is passed too and makes the line many times and offloads and is responsible for some great tries scored by our wingers and centres, his tackling is aggressive and certainly not paper thin. Read what James said “He was one of the better players” which too be honest isn’t hard again today.
What?... tackling is aggressive...flies out of the line misses ,,,,leaves a gap.....when he does get involved his tackling technique is dangerous hence the pens he constantly gives away every game....an issue the coach should have addressed.
Good players look for work if things do not go there way....make an effort to get involved no matter what they are told to do.....................they don`t need telling what to do they know.
tbh I wish someone on that field today would have told the players what to do cos on their own they looke d totally clueless as is the pattern every week.
The coach lacks any game management and the players as individual lack game intelligence...
result defeat after defeat....
Today the Dewsbury players played to the upper end of their ability
Widnes ????? well if that`s their ability ..................
Anyone who thinks Lawton was one of our better players today was not at the same game I was........
Where was James located when commentating on the game?
I don’t like it when we start saying things about players that is totally wrong as some of the vendetta against Lawton is total rubbish. He stays in the place he is told too, he attacks the players he is told too, he takes the balls when he is passed too and makes the line many times and offloads and is responsible for some great tries scored by our wingers and centres, his tackling is aggressive and certainly not paper thin. Read what James said “He was one of the better players” which too be honest isn’t hard again today.
His tackling is agressive? Not a chance, he always goes for the strip, rarely takes a player to the ground and controls the ruck. I literally cant think of a single BIG hit he has made this season, he tries everything in his power to not go to ground in defence. He rarely if ever takes the hard drives, he makes some good plays with forced offloads etc, but makes far more errors doing the same thing. If Leigh want him they can have him. If they dont want him Aldi can have him.
you forgot. “In my opinion”
I suppose the lack of competition for places hasn’t helped. Certain players in certain positions are basically undroppable because of a lack of numbers. Possibly against the grain a bit here but I don’t honestly believe Lawton has been that bad this year, although he is much better in attack than defence. Mentioned the Half-Backs, but also Owens for me is not a natural captain and maybe we would see the return to his best level of form if someone else took over, in addition to a bit more leadership.
I think it's a fair point about Owens, who is maybe trying too hard. He's the full back, goalkicker and captain. Maybe that's too much.
For me, there is only one man who should be captain (if the decision is made to replace Owens, though very unlikely).
you forgot. “In my opinion”
To be fair that's a given on a forum otherwise we would all end our posts with 'in my opinion'
I don’t like it when we start saying things about players that is totally wrong as some of the vendetta against Lawton is total rubbish. He stays in the place he is told too, he attacks the players he is told too, he takes the balls when he is passed too and makes the line many times and offloads and is responsible for some great tries scored by our wingers and centres, his tackling is aggressive and certainly not paper thin. Read what James said “He was one of the better players” which too be honest isn’t hard again today.
What?… tackling is aggressive…flies out of the line misses ,,,,leaves a gap…..when he does get involved his tackling technique is dangerous hence the pens he constantly gives away every game….an issue the coach should have addressed. Good players look for work if things do not go there way….make an effort to get involved no matter what they are told to do…………………they don
t need telling what to do they know. tbh I wish someone on that field today would have <code>told the players what to do </code>cos on their own they looke d totally clueless as is the pattern every week. The coach lacks any game management and the players as individual lack game intelligence… result defeat after defeat…. Today the Dewsbury players played to the upper end of their ability Widnes ????? well if thats their ability ……………… Anyone who thinks Lawton was one of our better players today was not at the same game I was……..
Dewsbury scored three tries today in the centre of the field, Lawton is told to stay on his wing area to tackle their forward on his wing area. He gave one penalty away today when a man fell into him (according to James) and it was classed as a head tackle. It’s all a matter of opinion, you don’t like him so that’s it but there are far worse on the pitch fir me I would pack Lyons off tonight but that’s my opinion👍👍Oh I forgot James was at the match as well as you and his opinion is he was one of the better players👍
I suppose the lack of competition for places hasn’t helped. Certain players in certain positions are basically undroppable because of a lack of numbers. Possibly against the grain a bit here but I don’t honestly believe Lawton has been that bad this year, although he is much better in attack than defence. Mentioned the Half-Backs, but also Owens for me is not a natural captain and maybe we would see the return to his best level of form if someone else took over, in addition to a bit more leadership.
Agreed.
His form has fallen off a cliff. Perhaps there’s too much pressure on him.
As an aside, it was 8 years ago today he scored *that* try away at Warrington.