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Royston Vasey
(@royston-vasey)
Honorable Member

@widneslatic  I refer the honourable member to Mr Cummings comments as reported by the popular press.

“Calling people” is a democratic freedom. I may be incorrect and it is perfectly reasonable for you to take an alternative view but I stand by the view that people who support Johnson as a human being morally fit to run a country are either delusional and or stupid.

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Posted : 18/01/2022 12:43 am
widneslatic
(@widneslatic)
Estimable Member
Posted by: @anotherposter

@widneslatic yes

 

One in which criticising the government will be illegal as in the online harms bill, where all your interactions and are monitored and data collected about you to ensure you "are not a threat to society" where the government gets to decide what they consider to be "harm" at any time they wish

where protesting will be illegal as in the policing bill, where you can be stopped and searched without reason, where facial recognition, anpr and cctv monitor your every movement

Where you can get 10 years in jail for "being noisy or annoying" or even doing something that might cause "noise or annoyance" to occur

and where a bill is passed into law that leaves it open to amendment at any time by the government without parliamentary scrutiny, in simple terms they can add to it what they like when they like

you are talking about a government that has already decided your body belongs to them after you die and has sold all your personal medical data to the highest bidder unless you specifically opt out

and once they manage to get digital currancy in place what you can buy and when you can buy it will also be decided by them,

Sounds like communism to me... 🤔

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Posted : 18/01/2022 12:47 am
widneslatic
(@widneslatic)
Estimable Member
Posted by: @royston-vasey

@widneslatic  I refer the honourable member to Mr Cummings comments as reported by the popular press.

“Calling people” is a democratic freedom. I may be incorrect and it is perfectly reasonable for you to take an alternative view but I stand by the view that people who support Johnson as a human being morally fit to run a country are either delusional and or stupid.

You are genuinely quoting Dominic Cummings to me?  ...Oh dear! 🤦🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

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Posted : 18/01/2022 12:49 am
Royston Vasey
(@royston-vasey)
Honorable Member

@widneslatic yes, it sort of proves my point - one liar lying about another liar who will no doubt lie through his teeth if he comes out of hiding and replies. The point is, it’s not a question of politics, it is a question of being a responsible member of society. 

we all chose to live in this particular society and as members of the society we chose we have a responsibility to protect those who live in and contribute to the general society.

Both Johnson and Cummings chose to live in this (British) society and chose to accept roles that entailed additional societal responsibility in terms of implementing rules to benefit the general well being of the members of society. Johnson chose to put himself the rules he had passed for society to follow. Cummings chose to blow the whistle on him. Cummings attempts to stab. Otis in the back are so obvious that even the stupid can see through them but it seems to me that there is a variation of the ‘just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t trying to get you’ about the comment. Just because Cummings is a liar doesn’t mean he’s lying here.

Anyway, I don’t believe that you are going to change my views either political or societal but by all means feel free to give it a go.

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Posted : 18/01/2022 1:37 am
gpo1971
(@gpo1971)
Estimable Member

He's not going to resign, he never would. His integrity was laid bare for all to see even before he was PM, personally and professionally he's always been bereft of any moral compass. All of that information has been in the public domain for decades. But, that doesn't seem to bother some people so, fair enough.

He's an opportunist who spotted a gap in the market as Brexit champion, despite previously being a staunch Europhile, and people have bought it. Not only political opponents of his but previous allies warned against being duped into backing him but the Murdoch press is strong with the thickos.

I never thought I'd say this but thank God for the Lords. Posts like this would have me banged up for 20 years if Johnson had his way.

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Posted : 18/01/2022 8:10 am
widneslatic
(@widneslatic)
Estimable Member

@royston-vasey I didn't intend to change your view pal.

We are poles apart in our opinions,

And as I said before, that's the problem with British politics today.

I consider myself Centre/Right, but Labour voters, probably due in no small part to Jeremy Corbyn, have gone a lot further Left than they probably should be.

As a result, there is no centre ground any more, because Labour voters think that anything Right of Centre Left is Far Right.

I've been called every name under the sun since the 2019 General Election (Gammon, Fascist, Nazi etc etc), and all because I don't subscribe to the Labour point of view.

 

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Posted : 18/01/2022 11:07 am
Torn Sock 1
(@torn-sock-1)
Estimable Member

One of the things I find ridiculous in this whole scenario, and is part of why I dislike & don't trust lots of things around politics and the media, is the behaviour/thoughts/fickleness of many towards Dominic Cummings.

Not so long ago when we was a Tory advisor he was the evil mastermind (and the brains) behind Boris, and was despised by so many, before but especially after Barnard Castle (Incl. large sections of the media).
Having now changed his tune he is now being treated as a demi-god/oracle by some of them & they can't wait to get his opinion on anything, where previously they wouldn't pee on him if he was on fire.

 

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Posted : 19/01/2022 11:49 am
gpo1971
(@gpo1971)
Estimable Member

Deciding who is telling the truth out of Johnson and Cummings is like having to decide whether to have an elephant stand on your left testicle or right.

It doesn't really matter who is telling the truth on this particular matter, they are both serial liars, having lied to the Country and to Parliament on a routine basis. Johnson still is.

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Posted : 19/01/2022 4:58 pm
Spelly
(@spelly)
Honorable Member

A slightly different tack I agree, but..............

Once again, a serious anomaly in the UK's constitution was exposed today.

Yesterday, the constituents in Bury South had a Tory MP, but 24 hours later that same guy is now one of Keir's Crew!

I've said this every time there's been a defection (whichever way they jumped) and I repeat, that whenever an MP crosses the floor of the House, it should be preceded by resigning her / his seat, and standing in a subsequent by-election.

The people of Bury South have been let down.

Spelly.

 

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Topic starter Posted : 19/01/2022 6:34 pm
Former Chemic
(@former-chemic)
Reputable Member

Agree 100 percent Spelly, and with a typical lack of foresight his mutinous actions have bolstered support for Boris

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Posted : 19/01/2022 7:15 pm
Anotherposter
(@anotherposter)
Estimable Member

@spelly 

 

What you are highlighting there is how politics for the last 150 or so years is about consensus politics and more specifically party politics, its not an issue with the constitution but how politics has evolved into something where you must belong to one camp and espow their "manifesto" irrespective of anything else

The reality was that a person was elected to best represent their constituency, its an ideological viewpoint that has now long gone, instead we are left with "whips" bullying and "favours" to force MP's into voting along party lines irrespective of their personal feelings and conscience and why people tend to vote for X party rather than the person who will represent them best, this is how you get idiots dropped into "safe seats" to ensure a party can fill its ranks with those who agree with the few or tick some "PC" box and dont represent the people

But you are right , the people of Bury voted for a Tory MP and their manifesto not particularly Wakeford and should have one for at least the duration of this Parliament or as a minimum a by-election

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Posted : 27/01/2022 12:17 pm
Mick George
(@mick-george)
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Borris is walking the walk.

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Posted : 04/03/2022 8:16 am
gpo1971
(@gpo1971)
Estimable Member

What walk?

Knighting Gavin Williamson? Joke.

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Posted : 05/03/2022 11:09 am
Former Chemic
(@former-chemic)
Reputable Member

Sadly though, the joke is on us. Gavin joins over 750 unelected members of the HoL.

 

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Posted : 05/03/2022 5:55 pm
sandgroper
(@sandgroper)
Noble Member

@gpo1971 

Buying his silence!!!!

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Posted : 06/03/2022 3:15 pm
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