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Spelly
(@spelly)
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Should he resign? And if he doesn't..................

What's the alternative?

Will he stick / sit it out? Or................

Will the back bench rebels force him to fall on his sword? And if so.................

Who's next in the hot seat?

I watched him squirm at PMQs today, and I think Starmer came out of it very well.

As was asked in the Chamber, is he sorry for what happened, or coz he's been found out? 

The PM is skating on (very) thin ice, and this is (by far) the biggest challenge yet to his premiership.

Spelly.

 

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Topic starter Posted : 12/01/2022 3:28 pm
sunny
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I think it safe to say, spelly, that in my voting career thus far I have always voted for a different party than you have. Not looking to start a row by the way, or even a debate, just stating a fact!

Can I just say that recently in a local election I voted for someone from a completely different party.

Johnson has lost my trust, and the trust of many of my friends of a similar age.

 

 

 

 

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Posted : 12/01/2022 10:02 pm
Former Chemic
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To resign he would need to accept his lack of moral authority.

And why should Boris step down when the majority of conservative mp’s are supporting him?

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Posted : 13/01/2022 8:41 am
widneslatic
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Posted by: @sunny

I think it safe to say, spelly, that in my voting career thus far I have always voted for a different party than you have. Not looking to start a row by the way, or even a debate, just stating a fact!

Can I just say that recently in a local election I voted for someone from a completely different party.

Johnson has lost my trust, and the trust of many of my friends of a similar age.

 

 

 

 

Let's be honest here, Boris has been under a microscope since day 1 of his premiership, and anyone who is scrutinised on a daily (hourly) basis will make mistakes, its human nature.

Brexit has upset and angered, not only the majority of left wing politicians, but quite a few of his own too (many, on both sides of the political divide, were getting regular subsidies from the EU).

And when you see staunch Europhile, Lord Adonis, tweet "If Boris goes, Brexit goes..." you start to wonder if all of these "leaks" were actually just a carefully orchestrated vendetta to get rid of him.

My guess is that Boris will go after the local elections in May, and his replacement will go cap in hand to Brussels begging them to take us back. 

And if that happens, I'll never vote again.

 

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Posted : 13/01/2022 10:16 am
widneslatic
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Posted by: @spelly

Should he resign? And if he doesn't..................

What's the alternative?

Will he stick / sit it out? Or................

Will the back bench rebels force him to fall on his sword? And if so.................

Who's next in the hot seat?

I watched him squirm at PMQs today, "and I think Starmer came out of it very well."

As was asked in the Chamber, is he sorry for what happened, or coz he's been found out? 

The PM is skating on (very) thin ice, and this is (by far) the biggest challenge yet to his premiership.

Spelly.

 

 

https://skwawkbox.org/2021/12/21/video-keir-starmer-had-his-own-drinks-gathering-during-lockdown/

Starmer lecturing Boris about lockdown drinks is like Gary Glitter lecturing R Kelly about childcare... 🥴🤦

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Posted : 13/01/2022 12:13 pm
Spelly
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Must admit that I've not see that before, but from the video, it looks similar to what Bpris attended.

If it's proved, then he's gotta go, but as I've said many times, I didn't want him as our leader, voting for another candidate  in that election, and he's done precious little since to change my mind.

Spelly.

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Topic starter Posted : 13/01/2022 7:56 pm
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Frankg
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Posted by: @spelly

Must admit that I've not see that before, but from the video, it looks similar to what Bpris attended.

If it's proved, then he's gotta go, but as I've said many times, I didn't want him as our leader, voting for another candidate  in that election, and he's done precious little since to change my mind.

Spelly.

This one has been run before and only brought up again to try and deflect the disgraceful behaviour of the PM and the Conservative Party. It was a constituency meeting prior to the Hartlepool bye-election and broke no rules. A bring your own booze party is at another level.

If the Labour Party ever wants to get back in power, the continuing back-biting from Corbyn supporters needs to stop. In my view, Starmer is doing a good job in exposing the corruption of the Conservative Party and the incompetence of its Leader. 

Corbyn and his supporters were totally unelectable and should return to their true party - the Socialist Workers Revolutionary Party - where they will be lucky to get a number of votes in double figures at elections.

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Posted : 14/01/2022 5:04 pm
widneslatic
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@frankg It was brought up again because Starmer is a hypocrite.

Anyway... If what I've read is correct, technically Boris hasn't actually done anything wrong, as 10 Downing Street is a Crown Property, and therefore is exempt from regulations.

Morally of course, that's a different story...

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Posted : 14/01/2022 5:56 pm
gpo1971
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To be fair, I can't recall a British PM having to apologise to both the Monarchy AND the rest of the Country in the space of 24 hours. Quite an achievement.

Mind you, he didn't actually apologise to the Queen did he, he hid. Again. Like he has done before, multiple times.

That people are defending this gobshite is bizarre beyond the pale. Takes all sorts I suppose.

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Posted : 14/01/2022 11:52 pm
widneslatic
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@gpo1971 Nobody's defending him. What he's done is morally very bad, but unfortunately for all the rabid lefties out there with a massive axe to grind, what he's done is also legal.

So everyone baying for his head on a silver platter will be waiting a long time. 

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Posted : 15/01/2022 11:29 am
Royston Vasey
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He is supposed to provide a lead for the country. That’s, oddly enough, why he’s called the Leader.

Apologists can dress it up anyway they see foot but they are either delusional and / or wrong. The lame comparison of, say, a bus driver and the person who took the role of leader of the nation on the clear understanding of the scrutiny he would be under doesn’t wash. He +hose to ignore rules sanctioned by his Government, he then chose to evade responsibility and lie about about it. The indications are that he sees himself as being above the law With no accountability.

it’s not political, it is unacceptable behaviour from the elected leader of the country, irrespective of political affiliation. As I say, anybody who can’t see this as a clear fact are either delusional and / or stupid. 

 

 

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Posted : 16/01/2022 4:13 am
widneslatic
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Posted by: @royston-vasey

He is supposed to provide a lead for the country. That’s, oddly enough, why he’s called the Leader.

Apologists can dress it up anyway they see foot but they are either delusional and / or wrong. The lame comparison of, say, a bus driver and the person who took the role of leader of the nation on the clear understanding of the scrutiny he would be under doesn’t wash. He +hose to ignore rules sanctioned by his Government, he then chose to evade responsibility and lie about about it. The indications are that he sees himself as being above the law With no accountability.

it’s not political, it is unacceptable behaviour from the elected leader of the country, irrespective of political affiliation. As I say, anybody who can’t see this as a clear fact are either delusional and / or stupid. 

 

Calling ANYONE who doesn't agree with your point of view is, quite frankly, bang out of order.

And that's the reason why politics in this country has sunk to an all time low.

There's no middle ground any more... it's left versus right... it's "he said, she said" muck slinging.

I know a lot of Americanisms have crept into the UK over the years, but this is one we can well do without...

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Posted : 17/01/2022 9:15 am
Anotherposter
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I doubt he'll resign, these parties and infractions have been going on for two years now from almost everyone at the top levels, even the person who was deciding to imprison the population in their homes found time to organise at least one

They have apparently been attended by members of the press so i would be more inclined to look at the timing and what is been hidden by these "scandals"

Could be the final sneaking through of the online harms act or the policing bill, both of which will take a great leap forward into turning us into a totalitarian state but as we know "its for our safety"

I suppose we should be grateful that during this deadly pandemic our dauntless leaders were willing to put themselves in danger so many times at these crowded , maskless "work" events

The words of Cromwell from 368 years ago when he abolished the rump parliament have never been more appropriate than they are today

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Posted : 17/01/2022 10:40 pm
widneslatic
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Posted by: @anotherposter

I doubt he'll resign, these parties and infractions have been going on for two years now from almost everyone at the top levels, even the person who was deciding to imprison the population in their homes found time to organise at least one

They have apparently been attended by members of the press so i would be more inclined to look at the timing and what is been hidden by these "scandals"

Could be the final sneaking through of the online harms act or the policing bill, both of which will take a great leap forward into turning us into a totalitarian state but as we know "its for our safety"

I suppose we should be grateful that during this deadly pandemic our dauntless leaders were willing to put themselves in danger so many times at these crowded , maskless "work" events

The words of Cromwell from 368 years ago when he abolished the rump parliament have never been more appropriate than they are today

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Do you even know what a totalitarian state is? 🤔

 

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Posted : 17/01/2022 11:14 pm
Anotherposter
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@widneslatic yes

 

One in which criticising the government will be illegal as in the online harms bill, where all your interactions and are monitored and data collected about you to ensure you "are not a threat to society" where the government gets to decide what they consider to be "harm" at any time they wish

where protesting will be illegal as in the policing bill, where you can be stopped and searched without reason, where facial recognition, anpr and cctv monitor your every movement

Where you can get 10 years in jail for "being noisy or annoying" or even doing something that might cause "noise or annoyance" to occur

and where a bill is passed into law that leaves it open to amendment at any time by the government without parliamentary scrutiny, in simple terms they can add to it what they like when they like

you are talking about a government that has already decided your body belongs to them after you die and has sold all your personal medical data to the highest bidder unless you specifically opt out

and once they manage to get digital currancy in place what you can buy and when you can buy it will also be decided by them,

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Posted : 18/01/2022 12:05 am
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