With Wigan posting an over £1.5 m overspend how can we pretend to be able to upgrade our playing staff?
Players will follow the money, as they did with Toronto - it is simply a means to an end as far as they are concerned.
Until we can afford to offer better contracts we will struggle. Industry in the borough is struggling and certainly not in a position to be able to offer major sponsorship for no return. Our locals like Bristol Motors and our ex Chairman's Landscape firm have been brilliant tbh but its not enough to compete.
In comparison Sheffield has a population close to four times the size of Halton and an industrial/commercial base to suit. Hence the chance of better support financially if not via its fan base.
Yesterday's game was a statement of just where we are, and it hurts. I can't honestly say that Danny Craven would have made any difference tbh.
To ask that question you have to have an alternative source of funds, or do you want to spend what we haven't got?
Compared to the majority of clubs in the Championship we may be better off, but that still doesn't compare with the three or four at the top if the Championship.
Escaping from the Administration was a massive show of support from a mass of supporters, many of whom probably didn't support in person. But that was a 'one off', that surge annually would make a huge difference, but it is unlikely to happen.
Not following up is like buying your missus a lovely Christmas present one year but expecting her to be happy in future years with no pressies and grateful forever!
Maybe the Club should make an approach to Sir Jim Ratcliffe now that he has missed out on Man. Utd. He might have a better chance with a bid to buy into Widnes, with a fraction of the investment. We could even change our name to the Chemics to reflect his industry.
Clearly, we cannot spend what we haven’t got, but maybe we could spend it better.
How much do we actually get from the RFL central funding, compared to the SL teams?
The answer to your last question is 'not enough!'
I'm not a financial wizard but I thought that a firm's 'advertising' revenue wasn't taxed - is that the case?
The televising of games, back in the day, was seen as a good way to encourage firms to sponsor to buy cheap national advertising but we have lost the likes of ICI etc.
This maybe what IMG are trying to reinvent with their peripheral advertising hoardings.
There could be a push this off-season to boost WVIPs to regularise our income. A major benefit with VIQI was that it was reasonably steady and could be counted on by the Board when deciding on contract financing etc. WVIPs needs to catch up quickly to be of much help next season.
Wonder if our good pal Luke Backhouse is interested in being our saviour once again or so he thinks he was going to be
I'm sure any offer of assistance would be welcomed but a steady support is the real aim, you can't plan around irregular help. Maybe an annual offer guaranteed for a period makes more sense?
Even Koukash has gone under I hear!
Are we even that skint?
The accounts came out a couple of weeks ago, and they didn’t look too bad to me (someone who doesn’t know much about accounts)
Are we even that skint?
The accounts came out a couple of weeks ago, and they didn’t look too bad to me (someone who doesn’t know much about accounts)
This. Plus people go on about "investment" and money men as if there's no alternative. There is, being well run. With 3000 average crowd, we should be able to finish top six in this league. Batley and Sheffield are managing it. There's no money man behind Halifax. I don't even think Featherstone require a lot of external investment, they are just run well and sweat their assets.
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This. Plus people go on about "investment" and money men as if there's no alternative. There is, being well run. With 3000 average crowd, we should be able to finish top six in this league. Batley and Sheffield are managing it. There's no money man behind Halifax. I don't even think Featherstone require a lot of external investment, they are just run well and sweat their assets.
I think Fev have got a owner whose put loads of money into the club for the last couple of seasons. Halifax have inconsistent, losing to us twice and only just scraping into the top 6, and I’d be surprised if there wasn’t someone putting money into Sheffield, for them to have the squad they have, with their crowd averaging less than a 1,000, and a ground that looks like it belongs to a school.
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This. Plus people go on about "investment" and money men as if there's no alternative. There is, being well run. With 3000 average crowd, we should be able to finish top six in this league. Batley and Sheffield are managing it. There's no money man behind Halifax. I don't even think Featherstone require a lot of external investment, they are just run well and sweat their assets.
I think Fev have got a owner whose put loads of money into the club for the last couple of seasons. Halifax have inconsistent, losing to us twice and only just scraping into the top 6, and I’d be surprised if there wasn’t someone putting money into Sheffield, for them to have the squad they have, with their crowd averaging less than a 1,000, and a ground that looks like it belongs to a school.
Yeah and Batley are above us too. We should do better than we do and consistently being out of the top 6 wont help our crowds. The buck and responsibility comes down to the coach who recruits and gets the best players he can with the budget available. The same problem arises every year without recruiting a big pack who dominates other teams. Gilmore and Lyons would thrive more with a winning pack. I know not ideal but a good dual registration and loan system with a Super league team to add some quality when injuries occur. Other teams seem to use it well and i think more fans would join WVIPS if the club was more open with fans. Communication is definitely key in my mind.
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This. Plus people go on about "investment" and money men as if there's no alternative. There is, being well run. With 3000 average crowd, we should be able to finish top six in this league. Batley and Sheffield are managing it. There's no money man behind Halifax. I don't even think Featherstone require a lot of external investment, they are just run well and sweat their assets.
I think Fev have got a owner whose put loads of money into the club for the last couple of seasons. Halifax have inconsistent, losing to us twice and only just scraping into the top 6, and I’d be surprised if there wasn’t someone putting money into Sheffield, for them to have the squad they have, with their crowd averaging less than a 1,000, and a ground that looks like it belongs to a school.
What makes you look at the Sheffield squad and thinks it costs a particularly large amount of money? I can't imagine they're spending anywhere near what Widnes are.
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This. Plus people go on about "investment" and money men as if there's no alternative. There is, being well run. With 3000 average crowd, we should be able to finish top six in this league. Batley and Sheffield are managing it. There's no money man behind Halifax. I don't even think Featherstone require a lot of external investment, they are just run well and sweat their assets.
I think Fev have got a owner whose put loads of money into the club for the last couple of seasons. Halifax have inconsistent, losing to us twice and only just scraping into the top 6, and I’d be surprised if there wasn’t someone putting money into Sheffield, for them to have the squad they have, with their crowd averaging less than a 1,000, and a ground that looks like it belongs to a school.
What makes you look at the Sheffield squad and thinks it costs a particularly large amount of money? I can't imagine they're spending anywhere near what Widnes are.
James even if not spent much they have done better than us. Is it better players, coaching or what mate? The coach is responsible for recruiting well and something is not right to be so poor every year.
The club know they can’t afford a super league status so being in and around the play offs will do them as I’m sure play offs every year would do a few fans as well
Funny thing is, attendance wise, we are fairly similar to the period under the Chambers board before we got promoted. Difference was a clear plan and a well ran club- even though we had 3 coaches in 3 years between 99 and 01.
I don't believe there is a lack of business competency on the board. But there is a lack of drive and direction.
A bad start to next season and I can see a really toxic atmosphere.
The club know they can’t afford a super league status so being in and around the play offs will do them as I’m sure play offs every year would do a few fans as well
Ii feel need a backer with money if Superleague too. What the point struggling at the bottom, but I do feel top 6 regularly should be at least the ambition of this board. Featherstone will struggle if go up unless spend a lot. Looking at 9th and 10th every year is a joke and Sheffield, Batley etc don't really want Superleague too.
I think fans just want the board to communicate and be more honest.