My second jab due next Saturday has now been deferred to a later date - bummer....
As said, the most vulnerable, elderly or infirm in our society should be protected. Those least at risk should be charged with carrying on our way of life. It’s an absolute joke that pubs and restaurants have suffered whilst shops, gyms and schools haven’t. That’s 100% NOT a scientific argument. It’s too late for this way of thinking anyway. We are now saddled with everyone’s way of life being compromised for at least a generation. For what? No-one can provide the stats. It is what it is. Welcome to a shallow future. I’ll bow out now, good luck everyone.
Are you seriously believing that shops, gyms and schools haven't suffered? If you think that you're just wrong.
How do you propose those least at risk should carry on, without going near anyone who is vulnerable, elderly or infirm? Does that mean doctors & nurses should live at hospitals and not be able to go home, or to shops for food etc? Just not feasible unfortunately.
Beginning to think that some people would be happy for all us over 60s should just be left to die as we are a hindrance to their way of life. Younger people are now being affected in greater numbers by the new variance, it is not only the number of death that worrying it is how many people of all ages are being hospitalised.
My first jab booked for Monday.
Spelly.
Very much tongue in cheek Spelly but it’s a good job the appointment doesn’t clash with a Swinton game 😉
Very much tongue in cheek Spelly but it’s a good job the appointment doesn’t clash with a Swinton game 
Touché mate!
Ironically, the vaccination is at the gym where I go every day in "normal" times, but has been closed because of the pandemic.
Stay safe all of you.
Spelly.
Been today, and everyone was just brilliant!
The soldier who booked me in, the guy who took my details, and the very pretty young lady, who did the biz with the needle.
The NHS is an absolute jewel, and makes you proud to be British!
Stay safe one and all.
Spelly.
Beginning to think that some people would be happy for all us over 60s should just be left to die as we are a hindrance to their way of life.
Quite true.
I’ve just read through these posts and a lot has changed from the first post on this thread to the last. I hope that perceptions have also changed. It’s a sad indictment of society that it seems that ‘opinion’ is now considered a valid argument to ‘fact’. What I have found sadder still is that charity and charitable donations to the likes of Captain Sir Tom are often driven more by a desire for elevated social status, than out of charity itself. Surely the most charitable act at the moment is to have the vaccine for the safety of others yet, sadly, many turn their backs and mock.
Currently, I believe that almost 90% of UK deaths have been elderly. I am appalled that some younger people use this as an excuse for them not needing the vaccine. Add to this the standpoint that people with underlying medical conditions are also taken as already dying and not considered ‘real’ deaths from the virus and it seems that many deem it acceptable for these groups of some 10 million plus to die. Yet when relations of young people are lost, it’s not their fault. Can’t be their fault. It’s the government’s fault.
I have no doubt that at the end of this the pitchforks will be gathered and bonfires lit. But will the protest marches be remembered as spreading events? Student parties on the streets? Social media posts on injecting microchips or DNA from babies? No, none of that will be remembered as it’s just nonsense spread by the nameless, the faceless and the spineless.
So for those who think they shouldn’t have the vaccine, when in the future someone rattles a tin under their nose, before they make sure their mates see them throw a pound in, let’s hope they just give a thought to elderly lady with the underlying medical condition that they once bumped into in Asda and give a thought to how her family felt when they mourned her loss. These are not numbers, these are people.
Beginning to think that some people would be happy for all us over 60s should just be left to die as we are a hindrance to their way of life.
Quite true. I’ve just read through these posts and a lot has changed from the first post on this thread to the last. I hope that perceptions have also changed. It’s a sad indictment of society that it seems that ‘opinion’ is now considered a valid argument to ‘fact’. What I have found sadder still is that charity and charitable donations to the likes of Captain Sir Tom are often driven more by a desire for elevated social status, than out of charity itself. Surely the most charitable act at the moment is to have the vaccine for the safety of others yet, sadly, many turn their backs and mock. Currently, I believe that almost 90% of UK deaths have been elderly. I am appalled that some younger people use this as an excuse for them not needing the vaccine. Add to this the standpoint that people with underlying medical conditions are also taken as already dying and not considered ‘real’ deaths from the virus and it seems that many deem it acceptable for these groups of some 10 million plus to die. Yet when relations of young people are lost, it’s not their fault. Can’t be their fault. It’s the government’s fault. I have no doubt that at the end of this the pitchforks will be gathered and bonfires lit. But will the protest marches be remembered as spreading events? Student parties on the streets? Social media posts on injecting microchips or DNA from babies? No, none of that will be remembered as it’s just nonsense spread by the nameless, the faceless and the spineless. So for those who think they shouldn’t have the vaccine, when in the future someone rattles a tin under their nose, before they make sure their mates see them throw a pound in, let’s hope they just give a thought to elderly lady with the underlying medical condition that they once bumped into in Asda and give a thought to how her family felt when they mourned her loss. These are not numbers, these are people.
Bravo, nail on the head.
One point you forgot to add though is that the people on social media who spread all the mis-information that profess to know it all, but couldn't be any further from the truth and have an IQ to prove this & furthermore they completely miss the irony of sharing their "knowledge" via big tech which can actually track you!
Beginning to think that some people would be happy for all us over 60s should just be left to die as we are a hindrance to their way of life.
Quite true. I’ve just read through these posts and a lot has changed from the first post on this thread to the last. I hope that perceptions have also changed. It’s a sad indictment of society that it seems that ‘opinion’ is now considered a valid argument to ‘fact’. What I have found sadder still is that charity and charitable donations to the likes of Captain Sir Tom are often driven more by a desire for elevated social status, than out of charity itself. Surely the most charitable act at the moment is to have the vaccine for the safety of others yet, sadly, many turn their backs and mock. Currently, I believe that almost 90% of UK deaths have been elderly. I am appalled that some younger people use this as an excuse for them not needing the vaccine. Add to this the standpoint that people with underlying medical conditions are also taken as already dying and not considered ‘real’ deaths from the virus and it seems that many deem it acceptable for these groups of some 10 million plus to die. Yet when relations of young people are lost, it’s not their fault. Can’t be their fault. It’s the government’s fault. I have no doubt that at the end of this the pitchforks will be gathered and bonfires lit. But will the protest marches be remembered as spreading events? Student parties on the streets? Social media posts on injecting microchips or DNA from babies? No, none of that will be remembered as it’s just nonsense spread by the nameless, the faceless and the spineless. So for those who think they shouldn’t have the vaccine, when in the future someone rattles a tin under their nose, before they make sure their mates see them throw a pound in, let’s hope they just give a thought to elderly lady with the underlying medical condition that they once bumped into in Asda and give a thought to how her family felt when they mourned her loss. These are not numbers, these are people.
Possibly the best post written on any of the incarnations of the site. Very well said and absolutely spot on about the genuinely thoughtless acceptance of opinion as a valid counter argument to fact, not only on Covid but across all topics of conversation and debate in general.
My second jab due next Saturday has now been deferred to a later date – bummer….
Now re-arranged for 5th March.
Good.
Hi All, first in a while. I am just posting this for information only:
This information explains the difference between the 2 vaccines. Info taken from European CDC website.
Pfizer Vaccine
mRNA vaccines are a new type of vaccine to protect against infectious diseases. To trigger an immune response, many vaccines put a weakened or inactivated germ into our bodies. Not mRNA vaccines. Instead, they teach our cells how to make a protein—or even just a piece of a protein—that triggers an immune response inside our bodies. That immune response, which produces antibodies, is what protects us from getting infected if the real virus enters our bodies.
COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.
COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the immune cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.
Next, the cell displays the protein piece on its surface. Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19.
At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection. The benefit of mRNA vaccines, like all vaccines, is those vaccinated gain this protection without ever having to risk the serious consequences of getting sick with COVID-19.
They do not affect or interact with our DNA in any way.
mRNA never enters the nucleus of the cell, which is where our DNA (genetic material) is kept.
The cell breaks down and gets rid of the mRNA soon after it is finished using the instructions.
AZ Vaccine
The AZ vaccine is a more traditional vaccine that puts the deactivated virus into our bodies. Our bodies then produce an immune response to this virus.
In the development of this vaccine, a piece of aborted foetal lung tissue was used. Some people may may wish to know this as they may have religious beliefs that may affect their decision to have this particular version of the vaccine.
I must emphasise that there is NO feotal material in the production version of this vaccine.
In the end, the decision is yours to have or not to have.
I and my wife and mother have all had the vaccine.
Has anyone noticed more funerals taking place in Widnes ? Occasionally, now and then, you see a cortege passing by.I myself haven't noticed more than usual.
Could be down to the rule of only about 12 people allowed at funerals, so the they would be a lot smaller than normal, probably just the hearse and one other car, so easier to miss.
Could be down to the rule of only about 12 people allowed at funerals, so the they would be a lot smaller than normal, probably just the hearse and one other car, so easier to miss.
Only 12/16 inside the Crem, lots of mourners stand outside.I'm at Widnes cemetery regularly and havent noticed more services than 2019.