What we actually need is someone running the club who understands how business works. Whoever it is needs to be supported, but not necessarily be directed by, someone who understands Rugby League. The fans see it as a game but within the club it has to be a business.
Could not disagree more in fact IMO it is the complete opposite no RL club is a business as making a profit is a non starter, the only way to survive is to have someone on board who knows how to run a RL club and get value for money on every thing RL related.
What we actually need is someone running the club who understands how business works. Whoever it is needs to be supported, but not necessarily be directed by, someone who understands Rugby League. The fans see it as a game but within the club it has to be a business.
Could not disagree more in fact IMO it is the complete opposite no RL club is a business as making a profit is a non starter, the only way to survive is to have someone on board who knows how to run a RL club and get value for money on every thing RL related.
We have a history of ‘rugby people’ being the people running the club since I started watching the club at the beginning of the 1960’s - how’s that working out for us Mick. All I see is the club slowly going down the gurgler - as proved by the majority of the people on this board over the past five years doing little short of constantly complaining.
The club needs to be run by somebody who has success in running one or more small to medium regional based businesses to generate revenue by providing things that people will pay for. Obviously one of the key people he would rely on would be someone who understands the game as the game and club is what the CEO would be looking to market.
Perhaps the fact that some people can’t see the need for a business based manager for what is a small regional professional business is one of the reasons the club has stopped publishing the attendance (because numbers are dropping alarmingly).
What we actually need is someone running the club who understands how business works. Whoever it is needs to be supported, but not necessarily be directed by, someone who understands Rugby League. The fans see it as a game but within the club it has to be a business.
Could not disagree more in fact IMO it is the complete opposite no RL club is a business as making a profit is a non starter, the only way to survive is to have someone on board who knows how to run a RL club and get value for money on every thing RL related.
We have a history of ‘rugby people’ being the people running the club since I started watching the club at the beginning of the 1960’s – how’s that working out for us Mick. All I see is the club slowly going down the gurgler – as proved by the majority of the people on this board over the past five years doing little short of constantly complaining. The club needs to be run by somebody who has success in running one or more small to medium regional based businesses to generate revenue by providing things that people will pay for. Obviously one of the key people he would rely on would be someone who understands the game as the game and club is what the CEO would be looking to market. Perhaps the fact that some people can’t see the need for a business based manager for what is a small regional professional business is one of the reasons the club has stopped publishing the attendance (because numbers are dropping alarmingly).
But in the time we did we where winning things so your point is not making sense.
Betts was a decent coach. I'm not for a second prepared to say that Rule was a decent human being.
But, we all know what certain Widnes 'fans' are like. Nothing is ever good enough. It wasn't when we were great. All this 'we should be smashing the likes of Batley' stuff is nonsense. We are probably at our level now, if you don't like it, find something else to get interested in.
I would say (barring millionaire intervention) there is zero chance of us operating at the top table ever again so ask yourself how you want to deal with that.
Betts was a decent coach. I’m not for a second prepared to say that Rule was a decent human being. But, we all know what certain Widnes ‘fans’ are like. Nothing is ever good enough. It wasn’t when we were great. All this ‘we should be smashing the likes of Batley’ stuff is nonsense. We are probably at our level now, if you don’t like it, find something else to get interested in. I would say (barring millionaire intervention) there is zero chance of us operating at the top table ever again so ask yourself how you want to deal with that.
Who the hell are you to tell anyone that ? if you cannot stand criticism or debate what are you on a forum for ?
Grown up princess
What we actually need is someone running the club who understands how business works. Whoever it is needs to be supported, but not necessarily be directed by, someone who understands Rugby League. The fans see it as a game but within the club it has to be a business.
Could not disagree more in fact IMO it is the complete opposite no RL club is a business as making a profit is a non starter, the only way to survive is to have someone on board who knows how to run a RL club and get value for money on every thing RL related.
We have a history of ‘rugby people’ being the people running the club since I started watching the club at the beginning of the 1960’s – how’s that working out for us Mick. All I see is the club slowly going down the gurgler – as proved by the majority of the people on this board over the past five years doing little short of constantly complaining. The club needs to be run by somebody who has success in running one or more small to medium regional based businesses to generate revenue by providing things that people will pay for. Obviously one of the key people he would rely on would be someone who understands the game as the game and club is what the CEO would be looking to market. Perhaps the fact that some people can’t see the need for a business based manager for what is a small regional professional business is one of the reasons the club has stopped publishing the attendance (because numbers are dropping alarmingly).
But in the time we did we where winning things so your point is not making sense.
We won things in the mid-70’s because we had a coach who was light years ahead in terms of mailing sure his players were fit. We won things in the 80’s based on buying players we couldn’t afford
What we actually need is someone running the club who understands how business works. Whoever it is needs to be supported, but not necessarily be directed by, someone who understands Rugby League. The fans see it as a game but within the club it has to be a business.
Could not disagree more in fact IMO it is the complete opposite no RL club is a business as making a profit is a non starter, the only way to survive is to have someone on board who knows how to run a RL club and get value for money on every thing RL related.
We have a history of ‘rugby people’ being the people running the club since I started watching the club at the beginning of the 1960’s – how’s that working out for us Mick. All I see is the club slowly going down the gurgler – as proved by the majority of the people on this board over the past five years doing little short of constantly complaining. The club needs to be run by somebody who has success in running one or more small to medium regional based businesses to generate revenue by providing things that people will pay for. Obviously one of the key people he would rely on would be someone who understands the game as the game and club is what the CEO would be looking to market. Perhaps the fact that some people can’t see the need for a business based manager for what is a small regional professional business is one of the reasons the club has stopped publishing the attendance (because numbers are dropping alarmingly).
But in the time we did we where winning things so your point is not making sense.
We won things in the 70’s because a group of local lads became available at rge same time that we brought in a coach who turned out to be light years ahead in terms of promoting player fitness.
We won stuff in the 80’s directly off the back of buying and the paying hefty wages to players we couldn’t afford. The best team we ever had was in a real sense the catalyst for the mess we are in now.
On a separate note, I’m more than happy to try and have a conversation about the club and the game. If you want to join in that’s great. If you just want to snarl and belittle because you don’t agree with what people say then I’d rather not make the effort.
The idea that everyone will switch back to the 'normal' setting is BoJo nonsense. There are many who are still fearful of the consequences of Covid both long and short. Their fears are based on their medical situation, supported by a struggling NHS atm.
Confidence will return, but only in time. Survival is the name of the game for the present, both personal and as a club.
Anyway, back to OP.
I see that Hull KR have pulled their loanees back, including York's match winning fullback! He was main threat against us iirc.
We are probably at our level now, if you don’t like it, find something else to get interested in.
Well it seems that plenty of people have done just that and found something else.
I don't think anyone seriously expected us to batter Batley, but it is not in any way unreasonable to be unhappy with how easy it was for them to score 28 points in the second half. Especially as it has not been the first time (nor the first time against the same team) this season.
Since I started watching us in the late 90s, bar a couple of outliers we have basically been a team who has been in the bottom 5 of SL or the top 5 of the 2nd Division. We are below that level at the moment, so given the potential structural changes it is important to see that we have the ability to qualify for the 2nd Division and questioning the tactics or the performances is part of that.
Anyway, as I said before, I think we have a good chance at York if we show the same sort of application we saw at Featherstone and Bradford.
Anyway, as I said before, I think we have a good chance at York if we show the same sort of application we saw at Featherstone and Bradford.
100% right.....but we won't. It's 21st Century Widnes, it's what we do.
Paulie xx
Betts was a decent coach. I’m not for a second prepared to say that Rule was a decent human being. But, we all know what certain Widnes ‘fans’ are like. Nothing is ever good enough. It wasn’t when we were great. All this ‘we should be smashing the likes of Batley’ stuff is nonsense. We are probably at our level now, if you don’t like it, find something else to get interested in. I would say (barring millionaire intervention) there is zero chance of us operating at the top table ever again so ask yourself how you want to deal with that.
1. He really isn't (then & now) he was on a ridiculous salary, he had Cassidy (forwards) & Hodgson (backs) doing the coaching (also, both vastly overpaid). This when we were re-newing the same old garbage year in year out (rewarding mediocrity, that has been quoted on here already) Only Thompson & Brown were the shining lights of our SL tenure (My opinion, thou I'm sure all the Hanbury, Isa, etc lovers will disagree)
2. Every Club is at it's level, you are what you are.
3. 100% All professional Sporting Organisations need big money backers. With due respect to the guys who stepped in and saved the club in 2019, I suspect that none of these hold a King's ransom that they can splash out on stellar players.
Paulie xx
Thank goodness I’m not the only supporter who thinks that the long Betts era was awful. He was a perfect example of a great player not cutting the mustard as a coach.
The current coach is struggling partly because he does not have a big enough (in every sense) squad.
Betts, Rule, Cassidy,Hodgson and BO'C all on handsome coin. No wonder there wasn't much left for team strengthening.Like Scunthorpe Utd being run as Inter Milan.
What we actually need is someone running the club who understands how business works. Whoever it is needs to be supported, but not necessarily be directed by, someone who understands Rugby League. The fans see it as a game but within the club it has to be a business.
Could not disagree more in fact IMO it is the complete opposite no RL club is a business as making a profit is a non starter, the only way to survive is to have someone on board who knows how to run a RL club and get value for money on every thing RL related.
We have a history of ‘rugby people’ being the people running the club since I started watching the club at the beginning of the 1960’s – how’s that working out for us Mick. All I see is the club slowly going down the gurgler – as proved by the majority of the people on this board over the past five years doing little short of constantly complaining. The club needs to be run by somebody who has success in running one or more small to medium regional based businesses to generate revenue by providing things that people will pay for. Obviously one of the key people he would rely on would be someone who understands the game as the game and club is what the CEO would be looking to market. Perhaps the fact that some people can’t see the need for a business based manager for what is a small regional professional business is one of the reasons the club has stopped publishing the attendance (because numbers are dropping alarmingly).
Saints CEO - Mike Rush ex Head of Academy
Wigan CEO - Kris Radlinski ex Player
Wire CEO - Karl Fitzpatrick ex player
Salford CEO - Ian Blease ex Player
Leeds CEO - for many years Gary Hethrington ex Player, then Kevin Sinfield ex Player
The model in the game in the UK is to have Rugby people heading it up. How did bringing in the business acumen of James Rule work out.
What all the above clubs excepting Salford have in common is business owners with a lot of money behind them.
Saints - McManus & Coleman
Wigan - Lenaghan
Wire - Moran & Middleton
Leeds - Caddick
Salford are in trouble and all the others would be without their owners.