Apparently the latest plan is to start at Easter with a 23 round season: potential for multiple games in one ground in early stages.
For the under 70s Covid 19 really is on average (stress on average) no more dangerous than ordinary flu, which itself kills 11,000 in an ordinary year. So if the elderly are vaccinated by mid-February why is it unreasonable to think in terms of opening up? Why should the rest of us suffer because some can't tolerate even a small degree of risk? Mostly people who have not lost their business, not got teenagers at home on the verge of suicide, not had treatment cancelled, not lost relatives to dementia, not got kids going without education etc etc etc.
For the under 70s Covid 19 really is on average (stress on average) no more dangerous than ordinary flu, which itself kills 11,000 in an ordinary year. So if the elderly are vaccinated by mid-February why is it unreasonable to think in terms of opening up? Why should the rest of us suffer because some can’t tolerate even a small degree of risk? Mostly people who have not lost their business, not got teenagers at home on the verge of suicide, not had treatment cancelled, not lost relatives to dementia, not got kids going without education etc etc etc.
What you are talking about is your perceived needs against the needs of society in general.
In an ideal personal world we could isolate those at risk, treat them and we’d all live happily ever after. Unfortunately, it is, on a practical, day to day social interaction basis to know for sure just who is and isn’t at risk so the ideal scenario is a bit of a none starter. The idea that some of us aren’t at risk actually means that we aren’t at risk of dying, I assume, but doesn’t acknowledge that fact that we might be a risk - an unnecessary risk - to others.
I think you mentioned that the voice of the common people should be heard. Strangely enough it has and is being heard. The majority of those who voted at the last election (the common voice) if you will and the people elected to run the country are actually doing so (albeit in a reactionary and befuddled manner). Recently a maniac across the pond was saying something similar - I believe in democracy and freedom so long as everybody does what I want.....
As I said, I’d love to be able to go and watch Widnes play, I’d love to see all those at risk vaccinated and cleared of any future risk, I’d love to stop having to work from home but I appreciate what I want has to take a distant second place at the moment.
Anyway, enough on this one - just to say that I hope everybody remains well and those unfortunate enough to be infected make a speedy full recovery.
you can bet that the RFL will come up with the most complicated and unworkable
fixture list possible. Just look at their track record. divide 36 clubs into three leagues,
14-8-14 well done.
For the under 70s Covid 19 really is on average (stress on average) no more dangerous than ordinary flu, which itself kills 11,000 in an ordinary year. So if the elderly are vaccinated by mid-February why is it unreasonable to think in terms of opening up? Why should the rest of us suffer because some can’t tolerate even a small degree of risk? Mostly people who have not lost their business, not got teenagers at home on the verge of suicide, not had treatment cancelled, not lost relatives to dementia, not got kids going without education etc etc etc.
Try telling this to NHS staff. Your need to "Suffer" not being able to go the match/pub (I assume you still have your health, job, roof over your head and food on the table) is a bit less important than 10's (100's) of thousands of workers being under unimaginable stress and hospitals almost overflowing with this "small" degree of risk.
It's this sort of selfish attitude that has made this go on for so long already.
you can bet that the RFL will come up with the most complicated and unworkable
fixture list possible. Just look at their track record. divide 36 clubs into three leagues,
14-8-14 well done.
Ah but they didn't done gud in sums they done gud in english!
What's selfish is to ignore the colossal damage to healthcare from people not being able to get treatment or too frightened to seek it, to mental health, livelihoods, education and and social life, not to mention the small matter of freedom.
If we think with our brains rather than emotively it should be possible to see that when the most vulnerable have been vaccinated and infections have come right down we should be allowed to have our lives back. When the level of overall risk is about the same as that for ordinary flu surely we can relax. Is that really too hard to understand, or have we been scared literally witless?
What’s selfish is to ignore the colossal damage to healthcare from people not being able to get treatment or too frightened to seek it, to mental health, livelihoods, education and and social life, not to mention the small matter of freedom. If we think with our brains rather than emotively it should be possible to see that when the most vulnerable have been vaccinated and infections have come right down we should be allowed to have our lives back. When the level of overall risk is about the same as that for ordinary flu surely we can relax. Is that really too hard to understand, or have we been scared literally witless?
Totally agree with you - once the level of risk is considered acceptable every effort should be focussed on the next priority, which is ensuring that those who are suffering because of the knock-on effects of Covid, and in particular people not having the usual access to physical and mental treatments, rather than having Covid itself are treated. In the meantime ensuring that the biggest threat to society is addressed isn’t selfish, imho, it is common sense.
Biggest threat to society? In 2014/15 28,300 died from flu, and nobody dreamed of suggesting even a mild lockdown. The lockdown fanatics are now saying no let up before July, by which time thousands will have died from lack of care, suicides, and domestic violence, while thousands of livelihoods will have gone down the pan and kids and uni students will have gone a whole year without proper education. The country is in the grip of hysteria actively propagated by the government and media to frighten people into submission. If without heavy lockdown we would face a tsunami of covid how come Sweden, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Florida, all of which have only light restrictions, are suffering no more than us?
High population density and clowns organising raves don't help. BoJo is out of his depth, thats for sure and mates only know Brexit, and they aren't even good at that so its down to your own nous to behave sensibly.
Biggest threat to society? In 2014/15 28,300 died from flu, and nobody dreamed of suggesting even a mild lockdown. The lockdown fanatics are now saying no let up before July, by which time thousands will have died from lack of care, suicides, and domestic violence, while thousands of livelihoods will have gone down the pan and kids and uni students will have gone a whole year without proper education. The country is in the grip of hysteria actively propagated by the government and media to frighten people into submission. If without heavy lockdown we would face a tsunami of covid how come Sweden, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Florida, all of which have only light restrictions, are suffering no more than us?
What a crock of crunchie that's the only reply it merits.
Back to rugby, would you sign Tyrone Mcarthy? Released by Salford and without a club at the moment. Looking for a big season before playing for Ireland in the RLWC.
We need second rowers to replace Wilde and Leuluai. 31 years old, from Warrington so fits the local/part time theme and at 31 could play alongside looking to start a career after rugby.
Played SL with Warrington, Hull KR and Salford plus a couple of seasons in Australia. I suppose part of it could be if Leigh decide to sign him and he wants to stay full time in SL for another season? Not sure how many back rowers Leigh have.
Back to rugby, would you sign Tyrone Mcarthy? Released by Salford and without a club at the moment. Looking for a big season before playing for Ireland in the RLWC. We need second rowers to replace Wilde and Leuluai. 31 years old, from Warrington so fits the local/part time theme and at 31 could play alongside looking to start a career after rugby. Played SL with Warrington, Hull KR and Salford plus a couple of seasons in Australia. I suppose part of it could be if Leigh decide to sign him and he wants to stay full time in SL for another season? Not sure how many back rowers Leigh have.
Yes.
Did he play for Ireland at the same time as Finnigan?
Hated McCarthy on the opposition could do a job in the champ. Just as long as he could keep his discipline on the field
Is that the best you can manage, Mick George, in response to a reasoned argument? It makes my point, really, that lockdown fanatics have to resort to abuse because they can't handle arguments with facts. Come back when you have done some research.