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(@pascal)
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Posted by: @cuerdley-viking
Posted by: @anotherposter

The club should be actively trying to recruit the best coach we can get 

Not waiting to select the best option from whatever Tom , Dick or Harry decides to apply

You're right but we are talking Widnes here........ 🤔 

Finnigan

Purtill

Betts

Cummins 

Cullen

Sheens was looking good until he did a Lord Lucan

 

They have all been awful coaches a part from Sheen's. 🥖🥖👍

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Posted : 12/05/2022 12:16 pm
(@sinbad)
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What happened to Purtill, is he still at Hull ?

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Posted : 12/05/2022 12:42 pm
(@cuerdley-viking)
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Posted by: @sinbad

What happened to Purtill, is he still at Hull ?

As far as i tell sinny, he's still sat next to Brett Hodgson at Hull

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Posted : 12/05/2022 12:49 pm
(@mckviking)
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@wrlfcefc1989 you must know something the rest of us don’t. I don’t know finney but from his interview he sounded like he had the club at heart, I may be mistaken 

I hope he does see it more than just a job and yes I believe he’s on thinning ice with his next selection 

I hope we go for someone who can bring in players and get the best out of them rather than someone who wants to spend money and not back it up

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Posted : 12/05/2022 1:11 pm
(@frankg)
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It is amazing on here. Some know exactly why Sheens left. Really or just gossip? Some know what goes on at the club, with a CEO who is a control freak and wants to do anything or nobody knows what he does. He also appoints his mates to jobs at the club. At least one potential coach has not applied for the job because Finney makes all the decisions and wants a “yes” man in the job. Truth or gossip?

Some claim that Finney is universally disliked around the town and has no interest in the club. Truth or gossip?

Some just seem to dislike Finney and do not have a good word for him. I have no doubt that whoever is appointed as coach, there will be some posting their view as another fiasco. 

I don’t know Finney and have never met him, so cannot really argue with those in the know. If he is such a negative influence on the club, maybe the anti-Finney group should contact the Directors with all the facts (and gossip) at their disposal and ask them to review his position at the club. They could do this anonymously as they do on here.

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Posted : 12/05/2022 2:44 pm
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 CJ91
(@cj91)
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On PF, there is a distinction to be made between his affinity for the club (which I don't doubt at all) and his success with appointing/retaining coaches and the club's communications. 

On ROB, suppose the argument could be made that you will not truly be able to judge his suitability for the job if he isn't given the chance. But the club has lurched from one poor season to another over the last 6 years and I feel the patience or the goodwill isn't there in the main for an experiment. If Sheens had stayed and been able to work with ROB for 2-3 years maybe the situation would be different.

Suppose from the given rumoured list, Duffy is the safest bet; but Widnes are not going to be getting a flawless candidate the position we are in on the ladder atm.

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Posted : 12/05/2022 5:20 pm
 JJ65
(@richard-richard)
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@frankg 

That is the reason Sheens left,it's a well known fact.

He left because of a disagreement over his stats guy Jamie.

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Posted : 12/05/2022 5:24 pm
(@Anonymous)
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Posted by: @rlnewbie

@dan1 refused it already. Club looking at a full time appointment 

You mean Murray ? If he applied surely he would know what he was applying for ?
so much speculation and very little fact, apart from pinkies being the audition room 

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Posted : 12/05/2022 5:59 pm
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(@frankg)
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@richard-richard I have not seen any statement from Sheens or the Club about this, but if it has been confirmed and not just gossip, then so be it.

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Posted : 12/05/2022 6:02 pm
(@wrlfcefc1989)
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Frank G and Mckeever Viking, I'm guess neither of you live in Widnes these days.

In a town of 61,000 you do get know things because you know people within the club, or you know people who know people those people in the club. Those people are good and decent people who know what goes on as we are hardly the equivalent of a premier league football club who are shrouded in secrecy.

Through these people you get to know why Sheens walked, why Rolty walked, and why Finney is disliked. The latter is not because a few parents were upset their kids didn't get contracts, some maybe, but a fair few pulled their kids from the academy because of him and the way he set things up then got those kids in other academies, such as Wigan and Saints.

As I have stated on here before, he applied for a similar job with Bratford, which he is more than entitled to do, but didn't get the job, so it is only a job to him. 

We all want success for the club, but if you can see things going wrong its not a bad thing to speak out on boards like this, and nothing would give me more satisfaction than seeing the club being competitive, even if it is in the championship, so that in the long run we/me would have nothing to complain about. 

But don't accuse people of spreading rumours just because YOU don't what is going on. 

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Posted : 12/05/2022 6:03 pm
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(@cuerdley-viking)
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Posted by: @wrlfcefc1989

Frank G and Mckeever Viking, I'm guess neither of you live in Widnes these days.

In a town of 61,000 you do get know things because you know people within the club, or you know people who know people those people in the club. Those people are good and decent people who know what goes on as we are hardly the equivalent of a premier league football club who are shrouded in secrecy.

Through these people you get to know why Sheens walked, why Rolty walked, and why Finney is disliked. The latter is not because a few parents were upset their kids didn't get contracts, some maybe, but a fair few pulled their kids from the academy because of him and the way he set things up then got those kids in other academies, such as Wigan and Saints.

As I have stated on here before, he applied for a similar job with Bratford, which he is more than entitled to do, but didn't get the job, so it is only a job to him. 

We all want success for the club, but if you can see things going wrong its not a bad thing to speak out on boards like this, and nothing would give me more satisfaction than seeing the club being competitive, even if it is in the championship, so that in the long run we/me would have nothing to complain about. 

But don't accuse people of spreading rumours just because YOU don't what is going on. 

You're right with all you say. Certain posters seem to have blind faith in everything Widnes Vikings. I personally know one of the sponsors of WV, they confirmed to me re: The Sheens debacle, as you have posted. They also said they are very disappointed with current situation at the club. Very worrying times imo  

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Posted : 12/05/2022 6:28 pm
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(@frankg)
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Posted by: @cuerdley-viking
Posted by: @anotherposter

The club should be actively trying to recruit the best coach we can get 

Not waiting to select the best option from whatever Tom , Dick or Harry decides to apply

You're right but we are talking Widnes here........ 🤔 

Finnigan

Purtill

Betts

Cummins 

Cullen

Sheens was looking good until he did a Lord Lucan

 

Funny how the Widnes failures seem to be doing ok at a higher level:

Purtill, who walked out for a job with Hull in SLand still there

Betts, not doing too bad as Head of Rugby at Newcastle, who are full time and likely to be in SL before Widnes

Cummins, placed in impossible position following sacking of Betts. Now Assistant Coach at Wakefield in SL

Sheens went of his own accord for unknown (?) reasons. Now in NRL.

I wonder when Finnigan will turn up in the coaching team at a SL club?

..... and everyone of them was criticised on here, some more than others.

It would be good if we could bring in an experienced coach who could bring some leadership, change and success on the pitch and offer some stability to the coaching position at the club.

 

 

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Posted : 12/05/2022 6:34 pm
(@sandgroper)
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@wrlfcefc1989 

And it has been so for as, long as I can remember! Sections of the crowd 'know' things and force the suspect out either because he isn't good enough or is on the fiddle. Colin Hutton was the first player in my experience, Gilmore the last, and there were others. Certainly some resented TC in his day.

Small town and gossip, but malignant and undercover, repeated on line without knowing the full story I suspect. Indeed if much of this were true it would be newspaper talk by now.

On the other hand we are expected to believe that the new Board, all long term supporters familiar with the town and its people, have no character judgement capability and are manipulated and/or bullied by PF to do as he wishes. That I seriously doubt tbh. I for one would be astonished if the Board allowed PF to interview, assess and appoint the new coach, including salary etc, with no Board involvement whatsoever. 

It may be just the way it sounds but there is certainly more than a suspicion of jealousy and personal differences in these posts, doing the club, and indeed nobody, no good at all.  

 

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Posted : 12/05/2022 6:42 pm
(@cuerdley-viking)
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Posted by: @sandgroper

@wrlfcefc1989 

And it has been so for as, long as I can remember! Sections of the crowd 'know' things and force the suspect out either because he isn't good enough or is on the fiddle. Colin Hutton was the first player in my experience, Gilmore the last, and there were others. Certainly some resented TC in his day.

Small town and gossip, but malignant and undercover, repeated on line without knowing the full story I suspect. Indeed if much of this were true it would be newspaper talk by now.

On the other hand we are expected to believe that the new Board, all long term supporters familiar with the town and its people, have no character judgement capability and are manipulated and/or bullied by PF to do as he wishes. That I seriously doubt tbh. I for one would be astonished if the Board allowed PF to interview, assess and appoint the new coach, including salary etc, with no Board involvement whatsoever. 

It may be just the way it sounds but there is certainly more than a suspicion of jealousy and personal differences in these posts, doing the club, and indeed nobody, no good at all.  

 

Don't take it personal Sandy, but I think you are been slightly naive here 

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Posted : 12/05/2022 6:48 pm
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(@cuerdley-viking)
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Posted by: @frankg
Posted by: @cuerdley-viking
Posted by: @anotherposter

The club should be actively trying to recruit the best coach we can get 

Not waiting to select the best option from whatever Tom , Dick or Harry decides to apply

You're right but we are talking Widnes here........ 🤔 

Finnigan

Purtill

Betts

Cummins 

Cullen

Sheens was looking good until he did a Lord Lucan

 

Funny how the Widnes failures seem to be doing ok at a higher level:

Purtill, who walked out for a job with Hull in SLand still there

Betts, not doing too bad as Head of Rugby at Newcastle, who are full time and likely to be in SL before Widnes

Cummins, placed in impossible position following sacking of Betts. Now Assistant Coach at Wakefield in SL

Sheens went of his own accord for unknown (?) reasons. Now in NRL.

I wonder when Finnigan will turn up in the coaching team at a SL club?

..... and everyone of them was criticised on here, some more than others.

It would be good if we could bring in an experienced coach who could bring some leadership, change and success on the pitch and offer some stability to the coaching position at the club.

 

 

You're right Frank, its more than funny, its bloody hilarious 

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Posted : 12/05/2022 6:49 pm
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