What would I do, if I lived in 'Ornits-ville?
I've always strongly believed that................
1) It's your duty to vote, and not your choice, coz even today, there's still people on this planet, who are denied that privilege, and.........
2) That you vote for the party, and not the personality, but..........
With the hierarchy (correctly in my opinion) withdrawing its support for the candidate, coz of his remarks about Gaza, there's effectively nobody from Labour on the ballot paper.
Whatever the result, Labour will be the loser!
I'm glad I've not got to make the decision, but the more I think about it, I reckon I'd go to the polling station, and write "None of the above." on it, but................
Conversely, is that the same as not voting?
A mate on mine at 'Ornits, who's of similar political persuasions to me, messaged me earlier with the simple message of "We're f****d!"
Your comments / opinions please mes amis!
Spelly.
Good results overnight. Hopefully the bastards don't win a single seat at the next election.
Good results overnight. Hopefully the bastards don't win a single seat at the next election.
Poor turnouts again, which just show what disillusionment there is generally with British politics.
I say again, that it's your duty to vote not your choice, even if you turn up, and mark the paper "None of the above."
But on saying that, it was still a great night for Labour, and a total disaster for Rishi's Rabble!
Spelly.
What would I do, if I lived in 'Ornits-ville?
I've always strongly believed that................
1) It's your duty to vote, and not your choice, coz even today, there's still people on this planet, who are denied that privilege, and.........
2) That you vote for the party, and not the personality, but..........
With the hierarchy (correctly in my opinion) withdrawing its support for the candidate, coz of his remarks about Gaza, there's effectively nobody from Labour on the ballot paper.
Whatever the result, Labour will be the loser!
I'm glad I've not got to make the decision, but the more I think about it, I reckon I'd go to the polling station, and write "None of the above." on it, but................
Conversely, is that the same as not voting?
A mate on mine at 'Ornits, who's of similar political persuasions to me, messaged me earlier with the simple message of "We're f****d!"
Your comments / opinions please mes amis!
Spelly.
1) It's your right to have your choice (Not duty) of whether to vote or not. Going and spoiling a paper is a waste of everyone's time, and not 1 politician has ever given a crunchie if there are loads of spoilt papers as long as they win. What's the old say about I disagree with everything they're saying but I'll die to protect their right to say it. V similar with voting.
2) Surely not in a local by-election?
Don't you think he hesitated too long. Don't know what 2nd comments were, but 1st bad enough.
Yes spoiling is exactly the same, cos the politicians don't care. It may show up in a statistic somewhere but again so what? Everyone's right to do what they want, I just think it achieves less than 0.
If you don't believe any of the candidates (Or care) why vote for one you know nothing about, or waste yours and volunteers time spoiling it.
Just my 2 pence.
Hiya mate - You're not alone with that view, as 60%+ in both by-elections proved, but I remain convinced it's your duty.
I agree that writing "None of the above" is similar to not voting, and I repeat that I'm glad I'm not a Rochdalian and have to make the decision.
It's a real mess, and as I said in my opener, the party I've been a member of for half a century cannot win, whatever the outcome of the result.
I suppose the good(ish) news is that whoever's in situ after the the declaration, it'll more than likely only be a temporary appointment, as (s)he will prob be reading sits vac after Sunak goes to the country later this year.
Spelly.
We used to live in Oz and voting is compulsory there, you get fined if you don't. Not sure I agree with that but I do wish that more people bothered. It's important.
We used to live in Oz and voting is compulsory there, you get fined if you don't. Not sure I agree with that but I do wish that more people bothered. It's important.
Yeah, my mate lives in Sydney, and I messaged him asking about it, and his reply was..........
"Yes, it's compulsory, and no there isn't a 'none of the above' option, so you either leave it blank, or spoil your paper.''
Whether you think that's a better scenario than the 60%+ who couldn't be arsed on Thursday, is up to you, but I for one strongly believe that our Antipodean cousins' system is the correct one.
Spelly.
If we are going to make voting compulsory we should apply the same standards to the politicians
Whichever party wins should be legally obliged to stick to their manifesto and pledges that they were elected on, no deviations like net zero or signing up for the WHO pandemic treaty and giving away our sovreignty like successive Governments have done or spending billions "defending" ourselves by bombing goatherders and farmers in countries on other continents thousands of miles away who have never attacked Britain throughout recorded history.
Any deviation should be put to a referendum like they do in Switzerland, lets see if they are really interested in democracy and working for the people
If we are going to make voting compulsory we should apply the same standards to the politicians
Whichever party wins should be legally obliged to stick to their manifesto and pledges that they were elected on, no deviations like net zero or signing up for the WHO pandemic treaty and giving away our sovreignty like successive Governments have done or spending billions "defending" ourselves by bombing goatherders and farmers in countries on other continents thousands of miles away who have never attacked Britain throughout recorded history.
Any deviation should be put to a referendum like they do in Switzerland, lets see if they are really interested in democracy and working for the people
Good call mate!
Spelly.
Any comments on the Hoyle controversy?
I just don't get the point in compulsory voting. If enough people are (sadly) not bothered and have no interest then why would you want said people making ill or none informed decisions on politicians? Plus it's a slippery slope on what you force/make people do IMO.
Any comments on the Hoyle controversy?
I just don't get the point in compulsory voting. If enough people are (sadly) not bothered and have no interest then why would you want said people making ill or none informed decisions on politicians? Plus it's a slippery slope on what you force/make people do IMO.
Hoyle made a mistake, and apologised. He has (in my opinion) been a fine speaker, so should one dropped bollock cause his demise? Not for the first time, I find myself disagreeing with the party that wants to dis-unite this United Kingdom on that one.
As regards compulsory voting, my mate in Sydney says it works OK over there.
The turnout in Rochdale will be interesting, but I'll be hugely surprise if it's north of 40%.
Spelly.
We're mad in this country.
You know, if you're if you're old enough, you can remember a fully funded NHS, that worked and treated people without delay. Utilities like gas, leccy, water, telecoms etc. that worked, had constant investment, were publicly owned, and delivered a good service. Public Services that were well funded, no-one used to hate their council, the council delivered 100%. Students used to get grants instead of loans, we funded our future. People used to retire at 60 with pensions that would provide for the rest of their lives. You used to be able to see your Doctor, whenever you wanted. We had no housing issue, if you needed a house you went on the Council list and then got one. The list goes on.
All that stuff happened not that long ago, maybe 30 years? Who knows. I remember it for sure.
If you tell young people now, they'll think that's mad. Was it a utopia? No, that's what life was like. Your tax paid for it.
Where has all that money gone?
The answer is the Tories have taken your money and given it to billionaires/their mates/their investors.
They'll tell you that there is no money in this Country. There is a massive amount of money in this Country, they just don't want you to have any.
Life never used to be this sh*t, it shouldn't be, it needn't be. Yet people keep trusting them. They're snakes who are laughing at you. Kick them out.
So, for us normal people, we can tell the difference between anti-Semitism and anti-Israel. That's obvious. Anti-Semitism is a horrible, racist approach against a set of ordinary good people. Anti-Israel is a concerted disgust against a set of apartheid aggressive shithouses that are committed to a campaign of ethic cleansing. I hope those cunts die.
We're mad in this country.
You know, if you're if you're old enough, you can remember a fully funded NHS, that worked and treated people without delay. Utilities like gas, leccy, water, telecoms etc. that worked, had constant investment, were publicly owned, and delivered a good service. Public Services that were well funded, no-one used to hate their council, the council delivered 100%. Students used to get grants instead of loans, we funded our future. People used to retire at 60 with pensions that would provide for the rest of their lives. You used to be able to see your Doctor, whenever you wanted. We had no housing issue, if you needed a house you went on the Council list and then got one. The list goes on.
All that stuff happened not that long ago, maybe 30 years? Who knows. I remember it for sure.
If you tell young people now, they'll think that's mad. Was it a utopia? No, that's what life was like. Your tax paid for it.
Where has all that money gone?
The answer is the Tories have taken your money and given it to billionaires/their mates/their investors.
They'll tell you that there is no money in this Country. There is a massive amount of money in this Country, they just don't want you to have any.
Life never used to be this sh*t, it shouldn't be, it needn't be. Yet people keep trusting them. They're snakes who are laughing at you. Kick them out.
The answer is the Tories have done some of that. The exact amount can be debated, but there are also other factors to consider.
There are also another 10m people living in the country since 1995. People were also less idiotic about using the system. I'm sure life expectancy was probably lower as well back then.
Students got grants because there was a small % of people going, nowadays it's skyrocketed. Lib dems can take part of this blame as well!
Housing - Families used to stay together, and as mentioned there are a a lot more people/households now.
Money - Let's not forget that there is loads being wasted on all sorts. The NHS now has more managers than ever, being sued left right and centre.
They also decided to furlough half the country for however many months.
There are loads of problems with the country, of which the Tories can shoulder a decent proportion of blame, but in the interest of fairness let's not put all of the blame on them when it's not strictly true. There has also been global wars and pandemics that have put lots of countries on the back foot.
I'm sure there are lots of obvious other things they have cocked up on, just trying as a neutral/apathetic view on the lot of them to add a bit of balance.
Political debate these days is usually one side saying their party only do good, and the other side are rubbish at everything and vice versa.
It will have happened this week, with 1 side being slow to ban someone for being massively in the wrong, and then the tory getting suspended for also being a pillock. Both sides will spin it their own way as will party fans.
What's better since 2010? Any idea? I mean anything? 14 fuckin years. How's the place any better?