The Mandelson scenario can't be doing Labour any favours, even though he has resigned from the party, and was skewered by the PM at PMQs today.
I had a look at Odds Checker before logging on here, and for the up coming by-election, it read 20/21 Polanski's People, 13/8 Farage's Followers, with us out at 5/1.
I reckon the PM's days are numbered, and whilst he might survive a caning in Gorton and Denton later this month, the locals come May could well bring his demise.
(Dis)agree?
Over to you!
Spelly.
That may well be the case but 30 councils have cancelled elections including 21 Labour
Its shameful but then again the events of the last few days have shown that all the political leaders and press in this country have no morals or balls.
Jewish Peter Mandelson gave away secrets to Jewish Jeffrey Epstein, named in released FBI files as a mossad asset and to his girlfriend Ghislaine Maxwell also named as a mossad asset and daughter of mossad agent Robert Maxwell
He gave them to jewish financiers such as JP Morgan to make a killing at a massive cost to British taxpayers, Epstein's emails also show him talking to Alan Dershowitz and telling Dershowitz that he must convince people that he (Epstein) doesnt work for Mossad and on and on they go including a large number in which Epstein says he represents the Rothschilds
Meanwhile British politicians and press.......Epstein may have been a Russian agent
absolute disgrace, Starmer says he cant release all the info they had on Mandelson as it would hurt "international" relations with some "states"
We all know who they are protecting ....again
@anotherposter Absolutely agreed on the cancelled elections. Terrible for democracy, with both of the biggest parties guilty.
They're all rubbish, and I actually have absolutely no idea who I'd like to win the next election. I can't think of 1 party that would do even a half decent job, which is a really sad state of affairs.
I will say that I think Zack Polanski would do an even worse job than Starmer (and maybe even Truss :O ) if he got in, so he is bottom of my list.
The rest seem similarly inept and would bring chaos and divide equally, just in different areas of government depending on their party. I fear for the direction of the country whichever way it goes.
@anotherposter Absolutely agreed on the cancelled elections. Terrible for democracy, with both of the biggest parties guilty.
They're all rubbish, and I actually have absolutely no idea who I'd like to win the next election. I can't think of 1 party that would do even a half decent job, which is a really sad state of affairs.
I will say that I think Zack Polanski would do an even worse job than Starmer (and maybe even Truss :O ) if he got in, so he is bottom of my list.
The rest seem similarly inept and would bring chaos and divide equally, just in different areas of government depending on their party. I fear for the direction of the country whichever way it goes.
Agree 100%, aside from my rant about the smokescreens being thrown around by all and sundry which slightly derailed this topic but that came about after i just watched Farage "suggesting" exactly the same thing ie "russian spy" , which IMO shows he is no different to any of them when push comes to shove, they will all close ranks to protect each other and the people who actually call the shots when it matters.
Who would replace Starmer if he goes ? there is no one and that is simply because the Labour ranks are now just full of MP's who have been placed in their positions for their compliance and a front bench full of inept morons who are there for the same reason.
Frank posted on this thread that Corbyn led Labour to a historic defeat yet he polled more votes in both the elections he stood in than Starmer did in his landslide win which only shows that the rest of the British public are just as disillusioned as you and I.
I have never voted tory in my life, a working class lad from Widnes, i was the guaranteed Labour vote but i would not go near them ever again.
Badenoch talks a lot of sense IMO but the last 14 years have just destroyed this country, we basically have a globalist uniparty in the big two which leaves the majority of normal people politically homeless hence why i think reform will romp everything, as the alternative to the "status quo" of the last 25 years people just think and believe that they could not be any worse than what we have had - and it would be hard to argue with them
McSweeney walks away over Mandelsongate, so.......
Is the PM now dead man walking?
A certain Mr Farage must be loving every minute of this sorry episode!
Spelly.
@spelly Probably. He's lucky that there is no obvious contender to replace him.
I'm not convinced much will happen before May, but after the expected disastrous results (Depending on how many actually happen) I would be amazed if the plotting & trying to oust him doesn't start within 24 hours of that.
Honestly have no idea who I want to be the next PM.
The list of candidates are terrifying. KS?, KB, NF, ZP, and then Raynor, Streeting, Milliband.
All rubbish in my view, for varying reasons. I actually think Farage/Reform will get the most seats, but unlikely to be able to form a coalition with anyone.
Interested to see when the next G.E happens.
Tim Allan has now gone, and it looks like Anas Sarwar, the Labour leader north of the border, is gonna call for the PM to stand down.
Is it his application to become Starmer's replacement?
Spelly.
Anas Sarwar getting his excuse in before Labour decimated at May elections in Scotland.
The appointment of Mandelson was a clear mistake, but many are jumping on this with the benefit of hindsight. Not many dissenting voices when the appointment was made. Only Starmer can explain his thinking in making the appointment and he really cannot blame his advisers. The decision was his.
The last thing the Labour Party and the country needs at this time, is a divisive leadership campaign in the Labour Party. Unless he is forced out, I believe that Starmer will agree to stand down before the next Parliamentary election, to enable a new leader to lead them into that election. In the meantime, he will seek support to deliver the policies promised in the 2024 election manifesto.
Interesting times.
In the meantime, he will seek support to deliver the policies promised in the 2024 election manifesto.
Its the things they are doing that were not in the manifesto that are the problem, the list is far too long to even bother writing but they are extremely troubling and disconcerting
Ive said it before on this or another thread that a winning party should be legally bound to only deliver and legislate for what they said they would do in their manifesto, anything else besides the patently obvious emergencies should go to a referendum - force them to come clean on their intentions before you give them the opportunity
Things like full term abortions, assisted dying, scrapping jury trials, mandatory digital id and many more things they are trying to push through should be put to the country and not left in the hands of the despotic, autocratic few
The political landscape does change quickly. I can't remember a Government, good or bad, that has fully delivered on manifesto.
The options facing the UK voter are a depressing lot:
- Labour under Starmer isn't really Labour, it's Diet Tory
- The Tory party are a complete irrelevance and will probably fold soon
- The Lib Dems are Diet Labour i.e. even worse
- Reform I don't need to go into, they're knuckle-draggers
- Greens are led by a loon
Apart from whipping low IQers into a frenzy about immigrants, not sure what anyone's got to talk about.
You'll have noticed the UK's economic growth figures are 0.1%, they're always festering around ZERO and the Govt wonder why.
Here's a multi point plan that would see the UK right but will never be enacted:
- Cap welfare related to GDP - people get paid related to what the country can can afford. And it should be lower than salary increases. This doesn't apply to pensions, which people have paid for. Just benefits. The current welfare system is unaffordable and unfair on workers who are taxed to pay for it.
- Cut the NHS bill - the NHS should focus on core services, and deliver them well. Not every service. Pick the core services that impact the majority of people, and deliver them well. Anything else, people should have to pay for.
- Rejoin the EU - it was madness leaving. Our economy will improve, illegals will be reduced. There was absolutely nothing wrong in this country pre-2016 apart from Tory austerity, Brexit was pure blag and has delivered nothing.
- Employ a demand-based immigration system. We make out it's hard, it isn't, other countries do it. Send illegals home, most are economic migrants anyway.
- Invest in Police and review sentencing. We have a country that is soft, almost non-existent on petty crime and ASB. Build some prisons.
- Give kids their childhood back. Take away phones and social media. It's toxic.
- Tax Amazon and billionaires. Make online pay for High Street.
- Re-Nationalise. Especially water, a disgrace.
There's enough money in the country to pay for this. It's currently being siphoned to billionaires.
What the Government fail to realise is that we must be close to a tipping point. More taxes needed in that that being paid out & you can only tax the working so much.
We can collect a lot more tax from the big companies, and get rid of a lot of people that shouldn't be here. These things shouldn't and aren't mutually exclusive, but listening to both sides of the argument you would assume it is!
Why not just tax the big companies on the sales total, if they want to claim they have to buy X, Y & Z ingredients/materials from other countries at inflated prices to cheat their tax?
Think it's Australia where you're not allowed to access lots of things unless you've been there for a set period of time and are contributing to society.
For the NHS they should either fine and or ban/put timewasters to the bottom of the list.
The sentencing definitely needs looking at. Releasing prisoners early due to overcrowding because of p poor planning isn't a solution, it's a really unfunny joke.
Re-nationalising infrastructure is a good idea in theory, but they've already stolen billions and we'd be left with the bill. It has also not worked brilliantly in the past. Not saying don't do it, just it might not be a silver bullet.
Lastly if you've travelled through half a dozen safe countries to get here why? Most other European countries have a completely different immigration policy to us and it's not a problem. The ones that have let lots in are seeing a surge in the right/far right political groups due to the action of said immigrants.
The next government is going to be an even bigger shambles than ever before as it will be an absolute mish mash of parties horse trading to get their policies through due to no majority.
Starmer's decision to believe a 2nd person that had told him lies about terrible crimes seem to have gone away quite quickly.
I did chuckle at the joke about the rubbish under my nose, by the Birmingham MP with NF sitting directly in front of him. I don't think Rucorn's MP found it too funny though.
Tax avoidance is another issue to be looked at. I have 2 mates who both earn 6-figure salaries yet pay the same tax as someone earning £20k. Because they set themselves up as limited companies, employ family members as secretaries etc. Every time they buy a couch for the house, they get the VAT back. Must be costing the country a fortune.
I suspect it doesn't get looked at as most high-flyers (inc MPs) are doing the same.
Cpt U-turn strikes again, based on legal advice, and elections now not cancelled.
Suspect his lawyers told him it was illegal and it wasn't an option. Not sure how it even got to this point on this issue, but I suspect Starmer will be gone on Fri 8th May.
Just checked the latest odds on the by-election, and...........
The Greens are now at 4/11, with Farage's Followers 3/1, and Labour at a distant-ish 13/2, so.......
Is it GSAM already?
Also, as Torn Sock has already eluded to, it's just been on BBC News that the cancelled locals are now un-cancelled! Another climb down from the Government?
Spelly.
Too chaotic by half this Labour Govt, no real strategy. Following 14 disastrous years of Tory rule, this could/should have been the easiest term in office of all time. Yet they've managed to make a right balls of it.
I've always voted Lab but they're going to get what's coming in May and I doubt Starmer will be around much longer.
A defection the other way!
John (former Lions' chairman) Roddy, has jumped ship from Farage's Followers to Kemi's Crew on Warrington Council, but surprise (not) surprise...............
He's not had the balls to call a "sack me, or back me" by-election!
I say again, the constitution of this nation is flawed to allow such non democracy!
Spelly.