@spelly The last thing the Labour Party wants is open warfare within the Parliamentary Party, for the Party leadership. Burnham is a political chancer, who sees his opportunity (again) of putting down a (another) marker to lead the Party.
I like Andy Burnham and he seems to have been successful in Manchester, but is he really prepared to potentially hand over the Manchester Mayoralty to Reform, just to feed his ambitions. Is he in danger of believing his own publicity as the next Messiah for the Labour Party?
My view is that Reform are being slowly found out for what they are by the electorate, but probably too late to stop them winning seats at the May elections. By 2029, Farage and Reform will have been found out for what they are - a far right fascist group, void of any meaningful policies other than spreading fear and division.
The Labour Party, including Burnham, if elected, should get behind the PM who, my guess is, will step down before the next Parliamentary election. The position of the Chancellor certainly needs to be reviewed. The Government should then crack on delivering its promises on the economy, cost of living, jobs, housing, the NHS, social care, support for young people, immigration etc etc
The Labour Party can then go into the next Parliamentary election with a new leader and a chance of being voted in for a second term.
@spelly The last thing the Labour Party wants is open warfare within the Parliamentary Party, for the Party leadership. Burnham is a political chancer, who sees his opportunity (again) of putting down a (another) marker to lead the Party.
I like Andy Burnham and he seems to have been successful in Manchester, but is he really prepared to potentially hand over the Manchester Mayoralty to Reform, just to feed his ambitions. Is he in danger of believing his own publicity as the next Messiah for the Labour Party?
My view is that Reform are being slowly found out for what they are by the electorate, but probably too late to stop them winning seats at the May elections. By 2029, Farage and Reform will have been found out for what they are - a far right fascist group, void of any meaningful policies other than spreading fear and division.
The Labour Party, including Burnham, if elected, should get behind the PM who, my guess is, will step down before the next Parliamentary election. The position of the Chancellor certainly needs to be reviewed. The Government should then crack on delivering its promises on the economy, cost of living, jobs, housing, the NHS, social care, support for young people, immigration etc etc
The Labour Party can then go into the next Parliamentary election with a new leader and a chance of being voted in for a second term.
Some top points mate, but..........
I was watching the BBC News earlier, and they reported that Burnham has been blocked from standing in the by-election, so it would appear that Starmer's job is safe until at least after the May locals.
Depending on what sort of a beating we take (and it won't be tiny, unless I'm very much mistaken) there may well be challenge internally (Streeting?) for the top job.
I reckon we will have a new leader before the SL Final, but it remains to be seen how much of a power Farage and Co will be by then, and beyond.
Spelly.
@spelly A big mistake if Burnham has been blocked from standing, but maybe Burnham knew that this was likely to happen. Better contest a by-election, which I think Labour will win, rather than a major Mayoral election, which Reform would throw everything at, possibly in some kind of coalition with the Conservatives.
I still reckon Starmer will be Leader for a while longer, but will not be leader at the next Parliamentary election, but he needs to start delivering on their promises to the electorate and deliver the change needed. I can see the Chancellor being sacrificed after the May elections.
The blocking of Burnham is exactly the point i was making, party leaders fill seats with their supporters leading to these extremely narrow radical ideologies being pushed on the country, they pat themselves on the back and run around like sugar filled kids when they have an "open" vote shouting about our freedoms and democracy, its a farce
The idea of the leader of the largest party automatically becoming Prime Minister is fairly recent in our politics, its only been that way for about 60 years so maybe we should move back to when the Monarch appointed the Prime Minister after consultation , as has been highlighted on here we seem to moving more and more towards a presidential style of politics where one person from each party becomes the focus of elections and i dont believe thats good in the long run.
Getting back to Burnham, the "rule" under which his application was reviewed and subsequently barred him is a recently introduced rule in the Labour party under Starmer which once again IMHO subverts democracy but there would be nothing to stop him running as an independent and resigning his post as GM Mayor if he won, it would be interesting to see how reform reacted if that was the case and if they then fielded a candidate but as it stands i think the Labour party have just handed that seat to them
And (yet) another big name has defected!
Former Home Secretary, and wannabe leader, Suella Braverman, becomes the latest to jump ship from Kemi's Crew across to Reform.
Like him, or loathe him, Farage continues to be one of the biggest players in British politics, and whilst he'll never convince me to put my X against his (candidate's) name, there's gonna be millions who do!
Spelly.
@spelly The last thing the Labour Party wants is open warfare within the Parliamentary Party, for the Party leadership. Burnham is a political chancer, who sees his opportunity (again) of putting down a (another) marker to lead the Party.
I like Andy Burnham and he seems to have been successful in Manchester, but is he really prepared to potentially hand over the Manchester Mayoralty to Reform, just to feed his ambitions. Is he in danger of believing his own publicity as the next Messiah for the Labour Party?
My view is that Reform are being slowly found out for what they are by the electorate, but probably too late to stop them winning seats at the May elections. By 2029, Farage and Reform will have been found out for what they are - a far right fascist group, void of any meaningful policies other than spreading fear and division.
The Labour Party, including Burnham, if elected, should get behind the PM who, my guess is, will step down before the next Parliamentary election. The position of the Chancellor certainly needs to be reviewed. The Government should then crack on delivering its promises on the economy, cost of living, jobs, housing, the NHS, social care, support for young people, immigration etc etc
The Labour Party can then go into the next Parliamentary election with a new leader and a chance of being voted in for a second term.
Why are these always classed as far right & fascist? Never right, always far right? I'm no reform supporter by any stretch, but this always gets thrown around every time someone disagrees with them? The left were never called the far left, even when Momentum were there?
The fact that they denied Burnham a chance to run is 1 thing, the fact that they tried to justify it due to cost is absolutely laughable.
8 no's incl. Starmer himself, 1 abstained and only the deputy leader (who is Burnhams mate) said yes.
@torn-sock-1 Simply because they are by any definition.
When Corbyn and the Militant Tendency took over Labour and ultimately led the Party to its worst defeat since 1935, they were often referred to as the loony left, Maybe we should start calling Reform, the Loony Right!!!
Farage has been calling the Tories useless for years and now he's hiring them all. All these guys defecting have a extensive track record of being seriously shite. They're the main reason the place is f***ed. Why on Earth should people trust them again just because they have a different coloured badge?
Farage sold everyone the Brexit lie, then blamed the Tories for not implementing it properly, now he's hired the very same characters. They're all chancers, they're all making money off people. Like Trump, deflating then inflating stock markets, you can bet him and his mates are making off it. People need to wake up.
With the recent (very) high profile defections, is Badenoch now under as much (more?) pressure than Starmer as leader?
Will the Tories be looking for a number one before we are?
So here's the question.........
Who's going first, Kemi, or Keir?
Spelly.
@frankg Out of the 6 main points of fascism they're promoting 1 (Nationalism), whilst Labour are also promoting 1 of the 6 points by blocking elections.
The term is thrown around far too easily, with 0 ramifications for anyone. It also just stokes up both sides and leads to less debate, and just more arguing or people sticking to one side no matter the subject or who is right/wrong.
I think almost all of the politicians are useless, and the rats jumping ship prove this. Almost all of them are in it to keep their nose in the trough. Braverman is one of the worst.
You're right about that.
But seeing Farage and Braverman stood in front of a 'Britain is Broken' sign, you couldn't make it up.
We know. You did it!!!
Eighteen months ago we rid this great country of the most corrupt, distrusting, obscene government we have ever had. Austerity for the working people while others made fortunes, covid contracts to friends and families, partying while our loved ones died, the clown that was and still is Johnson, Truss, say no more, Sunak whose billionaire wife made a fortune from contracts her family precured while he was PM. Now people hail the members of that government as messiahs that have just returned from a journey on the road to Damascus by joining a far right band of racists.
Jenrick who put people in hotels and now says they should not be in hotels was immigration minister while Braverman was Home sec, Anderson who was a Labour councilor then a Tory dep chairman, Dorres who refused to turn up to parliament for over a year because she seen her arse, the other one (cant remember his name) who was sacked for forgetting to pay millions in tax but remembered to claim for heating the stables at his home who also wanted a Lordship but was refused, Sarah Hilda Baker Pochin, who was sacked twice by the Tories once for taking the Labour whip to become mayor. Need I go on!!!!!
Yet these failed people (?) are now suddenly back in the spotlight and expect people to not only forget the past and disorganization they created but Vote for them.
Before anyone stats to call me a loony left, i lost someone a dear family member during Covid, six of us at the graveside with a small radio playing Abide with me while others partied!! I also had the good fortune to retire in my late fifties and i put some money away for my later years however in less than three weeks of the Truss debacle i lost over five thousand, bitter you bet.