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(@frankg)
Noble Member

@rb Why should he resign? As far as I am aware, Durham Police have only re-opened the investigation after previously concluding that there was no breach of the rules, no doubt due to political pressure. He has also never denied the event took place. If the Durham Police take as much time as the Met Police, the Durham investigation should be completed some time in November, long after Johnson has been forced out by his Tory colleagues.

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Posted : 06/05/2022 6:50 pm
 RB
(@rb)
Estimable Member

I have quoted Starmer's statement word for word. If he stands by that statement it is clear what he should do. If he did that it would show integrity and also imo force the prime minister's resignation. 

The Durham police statement said they have reopened the investigation due to significant new evidence. The statement also says they did not announce earlier due to the ongoing local elections. 

 

 

 

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Posted : 06/05/2022 7:27 pm
(@frankg)
Noble Member

@rb Just a little presumptuous methinks. Johnstone lied to Parliament about his attendance at several parties on the basis that he did not understand the Covid restrictions. That is why he should resign. 

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Posted : 06/05/2022 7:33 pm
 RB
(@rb)
Estimable Member

That's right Johnson should resign. So should Starmer. 

That's what Starmer said in his statement which I have quoted. Let's get on with it. 

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Posted : 06/05/2022 8:57 pm
(@spelly)
Noble Member
Posted by: @rb

That's right Johnson should resign. So should Starmer. 

That's what Starmer said in his statement which I have quoted. Let's get on with it. 

What happened to (forever held within the laws in this country) the "Innocent until proven guilty." scenario?

Surely your first sentence has " ---- if proved guilty." missing off the end of it?

Watch this space after the result of the investigation is complete, and I 101% guarantee that I will make a further comment.

Over to you until then!

Spelly.

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Posted : 07/05/2022 12:41 pm
 RB
(@rb)
Estimable Member

@spelly 

I'm calling out Starmer's hypocrisy. He called for the Prime Minister to resign because he was under police investigation not because he had been found guilty of anything. 

He is a QC and former Director of public prosecutions. He knows the law and knows what he was saying better than either of us. 

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Posted : 07/05/2022 12:52 pm
(@spelly)
Noble Member
Posted by: @rb

@spelly 

I'm calling out Starmer's hypocrisy. He called for the Prime Minister to resign because he was under police investigation not because he had been found guilty of anything. 

He is a QC and former Director of public prosecutions. He knows the law and knows what he was saying better than either of us. 

As a QC, is he not risking everything by not (yet) resigning? 

Nowt has (yet) been proved mate, whilst the blond buffoon (finally) admitted he'd broken his own rules, paid the fine, but still remains in situ at the most famous address in the land!

As I said earlier, I will comment further once the investigation(s) is  / are concluded.

Spelly.

 

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Posted : 07/05/2022 1:03 pm
(@cuerdley-viking)
Reputable Member

Didn't the Labour party deny Angela Rayner was at the gig then admitted she was??

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Posted : 07/05/2022 1:23 pm
(@spelly)
Noble Member
Posted by: @cuerdley-viking

Didn't the Labour party deny Angela Rayner was at the gig then admitted she was??

Yeah, but as I've said (more than once) nowt has (yet) been proved one way or the other, as to whether wrongdoing took place. So surely anyone currently playing judge, jury, and executioner, is being  presumptuous in the extreme?

I'm not saying the leader of my party is innocent, but unlike some, I'm prepared to wait before making a comment on the outcome!

Spelly.

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Posted : 07/05/2022 1:42 pm
(@mick-george)
Prominent Member
Posted by: @spelly
Posted by: @cuerdley-viking

Didn't the Labour party deny Angela Rayner was at the gig then admitted she was??

Yeah, but as I've said (more than once) nowt has (yet) been proved one way or the other, as to whether wrongdoing took place. So surely anyone currently playing judge, jury, and executioner, is being  presumptuous in the extreme?

I'm not saying the leader of my party is innocent, but unlike some, I'm prepared to wait before making a comment on the outcome!

Spelly.

But you hung drawn and quartered Bozza before the outcome and you refuse to comment just as he did. Hypocrisy at it's best my friend.

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Posted : 07/05/2022 5:40 pm
(@spelly)
Noble Member
Posted by: @mick-george
Posted by: @spelly
Posted by: @cuerdley-viking

Didn't the Labour party deny Angela Rayner was at the gig then admitted she was??

Yeah, but as I've said (more than once) nowt has (yet) been proved one way or the other, as to whether wrongdoing took place. So surely anyone currently playing judge, jury, and executioner, is being  presumptuous in the extreme?

I'm not saying the leader of my party is innocent, but unlike some, I'm prepared to wait before making a comment on the outcome!

Spelly.

But you hung drawn and quartered Bozza before the outcome and you refuse to comment just as he did. Hypocrisy at it's best my friend.

I stand to be corrected here Mick, but as far as I can see, my original post on this scenario was on the Boris Johnson thread, with me asking " ------- should he resign?"

I admit that I "come down heavy" on the blue faction whenever I can / could, with May and Cameron copping it before the present key holder at Number10.

But I never accused Mr. C or Mrs. M of breaking the law, like Mr. J. has been proven to do, coz as far as I know, they didn't.

Matt Hancock (eventually) saw the error of his ways, and headed for the back benches, so why shouldn't the PM?

I hasten to add that Starmer may well be guilty of a similar wrongdoing, and if it's proved that he has, I will be the first to suggest he falls on his sword.

Spelly.

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Posted : 07/05/2022 6:44 pm
(@frankg)
Noble Member
Posted by: @rb

This is what Keir Starmer said.

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Honesty and decency matter.

After months of denials the Prime Minister is now under criminal investigations for breaking his own lockdown laws.

He needs to the decent thing and resign

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The key words in the quote that you choose to ignore are “After months of denials the Prime Minister is now under criminal investigations for breaking his own lockdown laws.”

You forget that that clown Boris first denied any parties took place and no rules were broken, then he didn’t realise they were parties because nobody told him and finally he was there, but hadn’t realised that any rules were broken. He clearly had no understanding of the rules that he imposed on the rest of us and lied to Parliament.That is why he should go.

The Tories (sadly supported by some in the Labour Party who dream of a glorious return by Corbyn) are desperate to divert attention from their failing PM. When did Starmer lie to Parliament or deny that he attended a work related event and had a beer and curry? 

There is no comparison and we still have not heard the results of the ongoing Police investigations into the Downing Street “gatherings” and the publication of the Sue Grey report.

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Posted : 08/05/2022 8:17 am
(@gpo1971)
Honorable Member

Northern Ireland now in the hands of (political) terrorists.

Another Brexit benefit.

Was there ever a worse shoot-yourself-in-the-head moment than Brexit? Can't think of one.

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Posted : 08/05/2022 9:27 am
(@gpo1971)
Honorable Member

I hope Starmer does resign, he's largely useless. But don't be under any illusion that that would compel The Buffoon to resign. There is NO scenario for which The Buffoon would resign. He's far too entitled.

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Posted : 08/05/2022 9:30 am
(@gpo1971)
Honorable Member

Gove's back on the gear, see that performance this morning?

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Posted : 11/05/2022 12:13 pm
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