You may well be right and a left wing alliance will be the best opportunity to defeat the Tories in 2024, as well as the support of the SNP. As I have said, Keir Starmer's biggest fight will be within the Labour Party. If he can wrest control from the Corbynites, he has a chance.
People will not forget the incompetence and corruption of the Conservatives in response to the covid pandemic; and may still be waiting for the golden uplands of Brexit in 2024. It is a challenge for Labour to win back those former Labour voters who turned away from the Labour Party in 2019, but to do this the Labour Party needs to be united behind Starmer or whoever is leader.
I agree that Batley and Spen is a big test for Starmer and the Labour Party.
Keir Starmer has the beating of “Bumbling Boris” at PMQs and with a united Labour Party behind him and clear policies, has the confidence to lead the Labour Party to an election victory. Whether that happens, only time will tell. Oh yes, who will lead the Conservatives in the next election. Probably not “Bumbling Boris” who will take the blame for the incompetent covid response and will want to make his millions, selling his memoirs of a failed leader and appearing on shows like “Have I Got News for You. A front runner will be the “dynamic” Michael Gove, the man with blood on his hands from back-stabbing his political colleagues, who has the permanent look of a startled fish. Starmer “took the knee” in support of all those opposing anti-black racism. What is wrong with that unless, of course, you are a supporter of a right-wing racist group? As for Andy Burnham, he could well be a future leader of the Labour Party, but would still need re-unite the Labour Party following the disastrous Corbyn leadership. My own view is that Keir Starmer should be given the chance to lead the Labour Party into the next election, possibly in a progressive left alliance with Liberal Democrats and Green Parties. This would give them a better opportunity of defeating the Conservative Party in 2024 (or possibly before, if the fixed-term Parliament Act is repealed). The Conservatives won the previously safe Labour seat in Leigh by less than 2000 votes in the 2019 election, which was dominated by Brexit and the Corbyn leadership of the Labour Party, with many former Labour voters not voting or giving their vote temporarily to the Conservative and Brexit Parties – the Brexit Party polled over 3000 votes. I will predict now that Labour will re-take the Leigh seat at the next General election, if the Labour Party can get its act together behind a centre-left leadership. In the Mayoral elections 2021, I think you will find that in the Wigan area, Andy Burnham polled over 37,000 votes more than the Conservative candidate. Leigh is part of the Wigan Metropolitan area. In the local elections in Leigh, there was a Labour landslide victory, with Labour Party candidates taking 19 of the 26 seats in the election.
Cheers for telling me about the area I live in, Frank 😂🙈
I am aware that he won by a landslide, but that doesn't mean people like him.
The people of Widnes & Wigan are more alike than anyone will care to admit, there's a running joke in Wigan that people would vote for a traffic cone if had a red rosette on it, and the same can probably be said for the people of Widnes too.
My Mum & Dad voted Leave in the EU Referendum with absolutely no regrets, but in the subsequent General Elections since, they voted Labour, despite the fact, that Labour campaigned to remain.
And that's what Labour are banking on, old time voters being stuck in their ways, despite the fact, the party is a million miles away from when they first voted.
Labour's biggest problem is the Corbynite faction... Angela Rayner, Richard Burgon, Rebecca Long-Bailey, David Lammy etc etc ... Oh and of course, Corbyn's ex girlfriend and Foot in mouth grandmaster... Diane Abbott.
Only this morning, Abbott made an unsubstantiated claim on Twitter that Militant BLM activist Sasha Johnson was gunned down in a race related incident, when in fact, she was caught up in a Black on Black gangland feud.
And let's not forget, Stammer & Rayner knelt for these anti-white race baiters... 🙈🙈🙈
If you think Labour can win in 2024, then fair play to you, because not many others do... For me, the party needs a complete root and branch overhaul, and let's face it, that's not going to happen any time soon....
So you are saying those people who "took the knee" in support of those opposing anti--black racism are actually supporting "anti-white race baiters"? Interesting view.
Actually, I think that Starmer made a political mistake by being seen to be jumping on the "woke" bandwagon and taking the knee. He would have been better showing support in a different way through his words and actions. I also agree with you about the "Corbynite faction" and the malevolent influence on the Labour Party, but feel that Angela Rayner could have an important role in uniting the Party in a similar way that John Prescott did under Tony Blair. Perhaps wishful thinking on my part.
What is important is what voters think about Labour and the Conservatives in 2024, not now. We will just have to wait and see.
Generally, people will vote for the Party rather than the individual in a General election, so I'll take your word for it that people dislike Andy Burnham, but still voted for him in increasing numbers in the Mayoral eection.
So you are saying those people who “took the knee” in support of those opposing anti–black racism are actually supporting “anti-white race baiters”? Interesting view. Actually, I think that Starmer made a political mistake by being seen to be jumping on the “woke” bandwagon and taking the knee. He would have been better showing support in a different way through his words and actions. I also agree with you about the “Corbynite faction” and the malevolent influence on the Labour Party, but feel that Angela Rayner could have an important role in uniting the Party in a similar way that John Prescott did under Tony Blair. Perhaps wishful thinking on my part. What is important is what voters think about Labour and the Conservatives in 2024, not now. We will just have to wait and see. Generally, people will vote for the Party rather than the individual in a General election, so I’ll take your word for it that people dislike Andy Burnham, but still voted for him in increasing numbers in the Mayoral eection.
It's funny how these lunatic far left groups purporting to be Anti -Racist & Anti-Fascist only rear their ugly heads when a black criminal dies at the hands of the Police, yet when it's a Black on Black gangland killing, there's nothing.
BLM UK saw the death of George Floyd as an opportunity to get their name out there, and they were successful with it, especially with disenfranchised teenagers, and the London based Champagne Socialists.
But their biggest success, was gaining daily publicity from the left-leaning mainstream media, giving them genuine validation despite their utterly ridiculous demands (Defund the Police... etc etc )
And talking of the left-leaning mainstream media... There has been very little on the news about Sasha Johnson ...But that's hardly surprising considering it was a gangland incident, as it doesn't for their narrative...
As for Labour, you really need to take your red rose tinted specs off, your party is finished without a major overhaul... 👍
The media is ridiculous in how they report things, with both words and photos.
You could have the same story reported by both sides and they would be unrecognisable to each other.
BBC up their with the worst of them. They stereotype at will on one side, and not on the other.
If the media all just stuck to the facts as they're meant to, rather than push agendas on both sides, then there would be far less animosity all around in my view.
Starmer trying to pander to everyone does him no favours at all & makes him look weak/indecisive, and his support cast are truly awful. You still have some of them trying to spin the recent elections as a positive!! Baffling.
I think in general the country is centrist, with a slight lean either way. Labour has gone too far to the left IMO which is why they're losing lots of votes. Also quite a few that are still in the opposition party that want them to go even further to the left. This also doesn't help Starmer.
I get that Labour has issues and that Starmer has been completely ineffective; no issues with that whatsoever.
What I don’t get is that people think austerity, NHS/Local Govt funding strips, child poverty, homelessness, soaring foodbank usage, Brexit & Covid mismanagement and now rampant corruption is effective Government. Can someone explain why all that is OK without resorting to hypothetical Corbyn scenarios.
Why not vote Green?
I get that Labour has issues and that Starmer has been completely ineffective; no issues with that whatsoever. What I don’t get is that people think austerity, NHS/Local Govt funding strips, child poverty, homelessness, soaring foodbank usage, Brexit & Covid mismanagement and now rampant corruption is effective Government. Can someone explain why all that is OK without resorting to hypothetical Corbyn scenarios. Why not vote Green?
Hmm... Do you have actual proof* of any of these???
* Without using ANY evidence from left wing biased media...
To be fair Widneslatic a lot of those will be true. The question is why?
Passing some of them off purely as just Tories being Tories isn't true though, and as ever there isn't one single, easy explanation.
From the other viewpoint; Why don't you think reduced spending was needed after Labour spent way beyond our means as a country? Why are people struggling after more people are chasing less jobs with more qualifications?, why do you think Brexit mismanagement after other sides argued at every turn instead of working together, why wasn't there screams from the opposition about all of the mismanagement & is rampant the correct word?
How a govt spends money is a debate that could go on forever, and do they get it right? Almost certainly not. How much they spend though should be slightly easier to answer. The thing I never understood was the cries of "stop doing immeasurable damage to the young by cutting things", but they're the ones going to be paying it off for the rest of their lives. Now throw Covid on top of it and it's not going to be fun for the next couple of generations at least.
I get that Labour has issues and that Starmer has been completely ineffective; no issues with that whatsoever. What I don’t get is that people think austerity, NHS/Local Govt funding strips, child poverty, homelessness, soaring foodbank usage, Brexit & Covid mismanagement and now rampant corruption is effective Government. Can someone explain why all that is OK without resorting to hypothetical Corbyn scenarios. Why not vote Green?
Hmm… Do you have actual proof* of any of these??? * Without using ANY evidence from left wing biased media…
You've got to be kidding me???
I get that Labour has issues and that Starmer has been completely ineffective; no issues with that whatsoever. What I don’t get is that people think austerity, NHS/Local Govt funding strips, child poverty, homelessness, soaring foodbank usage, Brexit & Covid mismanagement and now rampant corruption is effective Government. Can someone explain why all that is OK without resorting to hypothetical Corbyn scenarios. Why not vote Green?
Hmm… Do you have actual proof* of any of these??? * Without using ANY evidence from left wing biased media…
You’ve got to be kidding me???
Of course I'm NOT kidding you.
What you read & hear about the government, through left-leaning media sources, is always greatly exaggerated to suit their agenda... 👍
To be fair Widneslatic a lot of those will be true. The question is why?
Passing some of them off purely as just Tories being Tories isn’t true though, and as ever there isn’t one single, easy explanation. From the other viewpoint; Why don’t you think reduced spending was needed after Labour spent way beyond our means as a country? Why are people struggling after more people are chasing less jobs with more qualifications?, why do you think Brexit mismanagement after other sides argued at every turn instead of working together, why wasn’t there screams from the opposition about all of the mismanagement & is rampant the correct word? How a govt spends money is a debate that could go on forever, and do they get it right? Almost certainly not. How much they spend though should be slightly easier to answer. The thing I never understood was the cries of “stop doing immeasurable damage to the young by cutting things”, but they’re the ones going to be paying it off for the rest of their lives. Now throw Covid on top of it and it’s not going to be fun for the next couple of generations at least.
Self infliction, mostly.
Drugs, Alcohol, and Gambling cause the vast majority of the grief we see today.
And then of course, you've got inner city gangs... Kids playing out their favourite computer games for real ...only this time, when you lose your life, it really is game over... 🙈
I get that Labour has issues and that Starmer has been completely ineffective; no issues with that whatsoever. What I don’t get is that people think austerity, NHS/Local Govt funding strips, child poverty, homelessness, soaring foodbank usage, Brexit & Covid mismanagement and now rampant corruption is effective Government. Can someone explain why all that is OK without resorting to hypothetical Corbyn scenarios. Why not vote Green?
Hmm… Do you have actual proof* of any of these??? * Without using ANY evidence from left wing biased media…
You’ve got to be kidding me???
No he is not kidding you. Labour need to convince the electorate of these things but more importantly they need to have some policies, positive policies if possible to show that they have a plan to fix things.
Starmer appears to have no policies.
I get that Labour has issues and that Starmer has been completely ineffective; no issues with that whatsoever. What I don’t get is that people think austerity, NHS/Local Govt funding strips, child poverty, homelessness, soaring foodbank usage, Brexit & Covid mismanagement and now rampant corruption is effective Government. Can someone explain why all that is OK without resorting to hypothetical Corbyn scenarios. Why not vote Green?
Hmm… Do you have actual proof* of any of these??? * Without using ANY evidence from left wing biased media…
You’ve got to be kidding me???
Of course I’m NOT kidding you. What you read & hear about the government, through left-leaning media sources, is always greatly exaggerated to suit their agenda…
I'll duck out mate, I'm not getting into a fake news discussion. What I do for a living tells me everything I need to know about all of these issues. I'm happy for you that you haven't been affected by any of them and consider them fabrications. All the best.